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...if a CUV now equals a car with 30 mm higher ride height and plastic bits added,
does this say more about Ford doing an end run around CAFE and wanting to charge more for cars than
the bad news of cars apparently going away???
...Are we about to see smoke and mirrors as Ford kicks cars out of the North American nest to build other products and then, in walks the Chinese near-versions of what was just lost...
otoh
my Question for C2 [AND the e-platformitecture] is HOW many vehicles will the market support?
- each bodystyle
- each size-variant
Fomoco has to consider this for planning factory usage...

Plus, I'm wondering about creating Names/identities for the different variants
instead of just making them versions of the same model.
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looks alot like the last Focus...
WHICH
makes me think&hope that the main design energy is going into the e-platformitecture

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This seems like a trend so I’ll jump in.

Lincoln needs a flagship. It should be a luxury leader and it should be a proper sedan. The target is more Rolls Royce than S Class, fitting in with the “quiet luxury” theme. It has to be big. Driver and passengers will have room to spare and the option for interior bespoke customization is available for the discriminating. Programmable “coach doors” are standard. Timeless classic exterior styling should have presence on the road and in the driveway.

The car, almost CUV height, has RWD proportions mitigated by huge wheels with tires of relatively high aspect ratio for passive shock absorbance so that the flagship’s large size is not apparent when viewed from a distance. With plenty of room for batteries, the high output ICE complements the e-motors for thrilling performance when necessary and range extension when appropriate. The overall experience, however, should be silent, effortless power. Plug-in hybrid with 300 mile range on electric power alone will eliminate range anxiety once and for all. No reason why anything less than 600 hp shouldn’t be instantly available - one has to get past those lorries, right?
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^ if anything comes of that "Continental door" Conti... which speculated a wlb increase too
[ & imho could as easily include a V8 ]
That might allow a Z-replacing MARK to increase the sport** while RR gets targeted as well
afaik-lengths: RR Phantom 2018 - 227.2" -to- Phantom Extended Wlb - 233.9"

swiped ^ from sfbreh @ GMi
** Porsche Panamera - 195.7 - 115.0

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I'm under the impression that the electrics are a separate, new architecture ... for plug-ins & BEVs
maybe call it "E1"?
so wonder about just how many [if] C2 &or cD6 vehicles/variants will get the third transmission...
...hmm, starting to almost sound like one transmission PER architecture?

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...C2 is primarily going the route of 48V hybrid so eCVT is possible option. But the way 48V system works is probably more likely that these cars will keep the 6F or 8F transmissions.

For CD6, the whole point is the share the drivetrain development cost with F-150 hybrid so Ford wouldn't bother with eCVT. It's going to be the 10 speed auto.

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This seems like a trend so I’ll jump in.

Lincoln needs a flagship. It should be a luxury leader and it should be a proper sedan. The target is more Rolls Royce than S Class, fitting in with the “quiet luxury” theme. It has to be big. Driver and passengers will have room to spare and the option for interior bespoke customization is available for the discriminating. Programmable “coach doors” are standard. Timeless classic exterior styling should have presence on the road and in the driveway.

The car, almost CUV height, has RWD proportions mitigated by huge wheels with tires of relatively high aspect ratio for passive shock absorbance so that the flagship’s large size is not apparent when viewed from a distance. With plenty of room for batteries, the high output ICE complements the e-motors for thrilling performance when necessary and range extension when appropriate. The overall experience, however, should be silent, effortless power. Plug-in hybrid with 300 mile range on electric power alone will eliminate range anxiety once and for all. No reason why anything less than 600 hp shouldn’t be instantly available - one has to get past those lorries, right?
I totally agree with this. Lincoln went in half-baked with the Continental, equipping with many appointments but forgot about the one drawcard that prospective buyers always expect - lots of horsepower. Realistically 400hp is good, but reality is perception and emotion are far greater influences in buying a prestige vehicle than Lincoln give credit for.

Use a detuned Predator (650hp) and they could easily sell the Continental for at least double the current price. All high rollers will want it, plus they don't want to be seen in something with a "cheap" retail.

When Ford made the GT so exclusive and put hurdles in place to get one, people tripped over themselves to buy one.
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beyond UNcovered drivetrain candidates

Navi; cD6: MARK-Z2, STARstangs, Conti2, Aviator
3.5tt 450hp ......... ?
cD6: MARK-Z2, STARstangs, Conti1, Conti2, Av, nautiluX
3.0tt+plugin[upto equal-hp more] &or
3.0tt+hybrid[upto half-hp more] &or
3.0tt 400hp
cD6: MKG/Macan?
2.7tt? 350hp .........+equal,+half
cD6;C2: MARK-Z2, STARstangs, Conti2, Av?, nautiluX, MKC
2.3tt 295-350hp ....+equal,+half
cD6;C2: MKG/Macan, MKC
2.0tt 240-300hp ....+equal,+half
cD6;C2: MARK-Z2, STARstangs, nautiluX, MKC
1.5tt 180-225hp ....+equal,+half = e-assist-Only
e1: ? Conti3, MARK-Z3, STARstangs2 ?
1.0tt 120-150hp? ...generator,+equal,+half

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video I hope to watch very soon ... about inspiration for future Lincolns
from dealers' conference in Michigan

https://m.facebook.com/groups/304554...ba4770e9523574
"A sense of Seduction Vs Attack "
https://video-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/...31&oe=5AF3AF3E
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calm pure linear equilibrium
_________________ elegance
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" from the propeller era to the Jet Age "
https://video-sjc3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/...5c&oe=5AF510E6

GREAT interior renderings! ...tho small/distant
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I totally agree with this. Lincoln went in half-baked with the Continental, equipping with many appointments but forgot about the one drawcard that prospective buyers always expect - lots of horsepower. Realistically 400hp is good, but reality is perception and emotion are far greater influences in buying a prestige vehicle than Lincoln give credit for.

Use a detuned Predator (650hp) and they could easily sell the Continental for at least double the current price. All high rollers will want it, plus they don't want to be seen in something with a "cheap" retail.

When Ford made the GT so exclusive and put hurdles in place to get one, people tripped over themselves to buy one.
Agree with the half-baked. Disagree with the solution. More HP might boost sales slightly, but even if 650HP was pricey and exclusive, it's not going to be a big draw. Continental's biggest problem is that it simply didn't look like a Continental to begin with. Now that the MKZ has the matching grille the Continental does not stand out nor LOOK exclusive. Adding big power won't improve the look without abandoning Lincoln-ness by plastering massive badges all over it.
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Agree with the half-baked. Disagree with the solution. More HP might boost sales slightly, but even if 650HP was pricey and exclusive, it's not going to be a big draw. Continental's biggest problem is that it simply didn't look like a Continental to begin with. Now that the MKZ has the matching grille the Continental does not stand out nor LOOK exclusive. Adding big power won't improve the look without abandoning Lincoln-ness by plastering massive badges all over it.
I agree. In all fairness, Falc'man was responding in agreement to my post #43.

True, adding horsepower to today's Conti would be an expensive investment with no payoff. Better to invest in a true flagship and let the chips fall where they may. It makes no sense to declare a half-baked placeholder a failure and then call it the reason to stop trying. Even Kia knows that.
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