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09-16-2014 12:14 AM
wingsnut
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

Man, if people are impressed with this heavy current Navi, imagine an aluminum bodied Navi with new 10 speed transmission and a serious upgrade to D35 GTDI, not just a re-tune.
09-16-2014 12:04 AM
Bloggin
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

Another glowing review for the 2015 Navigator

First Drive: 2015 Lincoln Navigator
By Jonny Lieberman | September 12, 2014 |

“You said the F-word!” That was shouted at me by one of the legions of Lincoln PR people shipped down to Louisville, Kentucky, for the launch of the pretty majorly refreshed 2015 Lincoln Navigator. I’d been trying to ask if we would be seeing the new Navigator’s excellent engine in any other products, like, say, the upcoming all-new MKX or an aluminum Ford Raptor. Really and truly, while there’s much to like about the newish Navigator, the 380-horsepower, 460 pound-feet of torque, twin-turbo 3.5-liter V-6 is the star of the show. Since it is such a masterfully executed motor, I honestly wanted to know where else it’ll be showing up. Because as good as the 2015 ’Gator is, Lincoln’s maybe going to sell 8000 of them. Maybe. And that’s when I got yelled at.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz3DRaeFAjT
09-15-2014 10:26 PM
wingsnut
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by joseodiaga4 View Post
the 3rd row is best in class but I hope the next Navi has to get a better first row (I saw in the MT article that the first row is not that good at least in the SWB), not sure how good is the 2nd row.
the new Slade ESV is longer than the previous gen and the new Navi L, so next the Navi L has to be longer to give more space
1st row is not good? Well if enormous space and leg room and headroom and comfy seats and luxury to spare is a bad thing, then yeah, it sucks.
09-15-2014 10:10 PM
Dequindre
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

The worst part of the Navigator's front end seems to be the line of trim connecting the fog lights. It looks out of place. I think they would have been better off segmenting it.
09-15-2014 09:25 PM
wingsnut
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

The consensus seems to be consistent,
-awesome power
-lots of room
-great ride
-worthy upgrade

I once said not to under-estimate the positive effect the EcoBoost would have on this product, and I still believe, sales.
And when/if it happens, where sales are influenced enough to justify it, I will be sure to rub the rhubarb of several negative nannies.......just as they will do, if it don't.
09-15-2014 04:32 PM
Dequindre
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

The Navigator racks up another glowing review:

First Drive: 2015 Lincoln Navigator [Review]



Leftlane's Bottom Line

Significantly quicker and better-furnished than before, the Navigator is now a respectable option for those seeking a traditional full-size luxury SUV with space and comfort to spare.

Middling handling and the lack of some expected technology features definitely diminish its desirability, but the Navigator still shouldn't be underestimated.


http://www.leftlanenews.com/first-dr...or-review.html
09-15-2014 03:41 PM
VinceL
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

Stumbled across this and thought it appropriate for this thread.

From Autoblog:

2015 Lincoln Navigator
EcoBoost Authority Does What It Can To Mask An Aging Package

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/09/15/2...-drive-review/
09-15-2014 10:24 AM
wingsnut
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

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Originally Posted by VinceL View Post
How could you misunderstand me? Possibly your lack of comprehension at times? Once again you have worked yourself up over a simple question.

I fully understand about cold engine/exhaust components and water vapor emission. I also understand how relative humidity can contribute to the visibility of the water vapor.

At around the 7:00 mark, he guns it and accelerates off down the road and there is what looks like smoke blowing out of the tailpipe for quite a good distance down the road. If this guy knows anything about cars, as I hope he would as an automotive journalist, he would know not to gun a cold engine. Also, there is no proof that the engine and exhaust system was cold at the time he revved it. As for water vapor, I would have thought that possible if it were cooler, but it looks too warm outside for that (considering their attire). But if it makes you feel better to think that is just water vapor, well you just go on ahead and think that. I think otherwise. I believe a distinct lack of talent in their engine team is a more likely cause of the smoking.

You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble (and obvious emotional anguish) but simply stating "I don't know".

After doing a bit of research, it appears that these direct injected turbo engines tend to run a little rich. As a result, they can blow some smoke upon hard acceleration. Nothing is wrong with the engine, it is simply how they are engineered. Was that so hard 'nut?
Based on your verbiage, I would say it is you who is worked up. I merely tried to answer your question. I hope you find your answer then to your concern about “why all of the EcoBoost tailpipes I have ever seen are all black with soot.”
09-15-2014 10:07 AM
VinceL
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

Quote:
Originally Posted by wingsnut View Post
Ahhh, I see...so when you said this just a few posts ago:

"Why are they having to resort to such a rich mixture? At least that explains why all of the EcoBoost tailpipes I have ever seen are all black with soot."

...you were not suggesting the same for the Navi, and certainly not implying it. Gee whiz, I don't know HOW I misunderstood you.

And regarding the WHITE plume you saw, it is very common for water vapor to condense or convert back to steam after startup, as the engine heat boils it off in just a few moments. If I recall, he had just started the engine and revved it. Makes sense, no?
How could you misunderstand me? Possibly your lack of comprehension at times? Once again you have worked yourself up over a simple question.

I fully understand about cold engine/exhaust components and water vapor emission. I also understand how relative humidity can contribute to the visibility of the water vapor.

At around the 7:00 mark, he guns it and accelerates off down the road and there is what looks like smoke blowing out of the tailpipe for quite a good distance down the road. If this guy knows anything about cars, as I hope he would as an automotive journalist, he would know not to gun a cold engine. Also, there is no proof that the engine and exhaust system was cold at the time he revved it. As for water vapor, I would have thought that possible if it were cooler, but it looks too warm outside for that (considering their attire). But if it makes you feel better to think that is just water vapor, well you just go on ahead and think that. I think otherwise. I believe a distinct lack of talent in their engine team is a more likely cause of the smoking.

You could have saved yourself a lot of trouble (and obvious emotional anguish) but simply stating "I don't know".

After doing a bit of research, it appears that these direct injected turbo engines tend to run a little rich. As a result, they can blow some smoke upon hard acceleration. Nothing is wrong with the engine, it is simply how they are engineered. Was that so hard 'nut?
09-15-2014 12:09 AM
joseodiaga4
Re: 2015 Lincoln Navigator vs 2014 Navigator Matchup First Drive Review

the 3rd row is best in class but I hope the next Navi has to get a better first row (I saw in the MT article that the first row is not that good at least in the SWB), not sure how good is the 2nd row.
the new Slade ESV is longer than the previous gen and the new Navi L, so next the Navi L has to be longer to give more space
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