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11-17-2015 02:04 AM
2b2
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED

since it's not "spied" anymore
how about switching over to the
11-17-2015 01:43 AM
rmc523
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED



11-16-2015 03:23 AM
AM222
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED

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Originally Posted by Bloggin View Post
Looking at the EcoSport, I expect it to remain much as it is, but with the Escape growing a bit in size, the current platform could be used for a more NA specific (EcoSport like) vehicle below the new larger, more grown up Escape.

Which could look something like this:

- New Fiesta keeps current platform with updates/light weighting

- EcoSport(needs new name for NA) for NA market uses smaller version of current Escape/Focus platform with modifications
I doubt this would happen, basing the EcoSport on the Fiesta not only makes it affordable, but affordable to run which is the whole point of having a B-segment Crossover.
I doubt the next Escape will grow that much bigger because it would make the 5-seater Edge seem pointless.

What they could do is make a longer EcoSport for the rest of the world, and a short sub-4-meter version for India.
I mentioned this before, but the sub-4 meter lower tax bracket only applies to India and nowhere else.

This explains why majority of its competitors in Asia (not designed for India) are larger.

Ford is already making regional bodystyles of models they sell in different markets.
Some examples:
Ford Figo Aspire (sub-4-meter sedan), a version with a longer trunk is sold elsewhere.
Ford Edge, china gets a version with a longer wagon body and 3rd row seats, rest of the world gets the shorter 2 row version.

The EcoSport can go this route, same basic vehicle, different rear ends (one sub-4 meter version for India, a longer one for the rest of the world).
11-15-2015 09:32 PM
igor2
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED

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Originally Posted by Bloggin View Post
Fiesta sells wel in Europe, so I expect the new model to be more evolutionary.
yes and no -- it may be evolutionary until they go all new on the platform and decide to change things. But Ford has been pushing the 2 top-hat generations per platform schedule, and we currently have a post-MCE 1st top hat on the current platform. So I am also expecting the same proportions to remain.

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Size is a big deal there also, which means it can't really get much bigger, and still meet the sub-compact needs in it's largest markets. Light weighting will be the big deal here. So expect the new/revised/repurposed platform it uses to be lighter weight, with more use of aluminum.

Looking at the EcoSport, I expect it to remain much as it is, but with the Escape growing a bit in size, the current platform could be used for a more NA specific (EcoSport like) vehicle below the new larger, more grown up Escape.

Which could look something like this:

- New Fiesta keeps current platform with updates/light weighting

- EcoSport(needs new name for NA) for NA market uses smaller version of current Escape/Focus platform with modifications

- New Escape gets new larger/lighter platform shared with New Focus and new C-Segment Lincoln.
Fiesta is currently on its own platform, and EcoSport and B-Max are is tall-bodied Fiestas. My point is not that ecoSport will change architecture, but that Ford will pursue different proportions when EcoSport goes NG in a few years, going for a lower, hatchback-like look, rather than the current very-tall profile.

Focus' C1/C2 platform is directly used under the Escape and that will not change.

The C1/C2 also is the core of EUCD/CD4 (Fusion, Mondeo, Edge, MKX, Galaxy, S-Max).

I expected the NG C Platform debuting under the next Focus to serve the same role for all FWD/AWD Fords, and spawn the NG CD platform, but the existence of CD6 mixes things up a little bit.

With CD6 on the horizon, we may see CD6 exist separate from the NG C-platform. If this is the case, maybe Ford will make the C platform the base of the NG B platform as well: make it smaller, lighter, and cheaper, and off you go. The relation from Fiesta -> EcoSport and Focus -> Escape will 95% remain unchanged, regardless.

Despite all this speculation, I am 95% certain that the NG Fiesta will be just a new top-hat on a refresh of the current platform.
11-15-2015 05:44 PM
AM222
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED

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Originally Posted by igor2 View Post
We should get back to Escape, but let me participate in the OT EcoSport conversation for a bit.

The Fiesta (AFAIK) Does not have a new platform ready, I suspect we may see a shrunk version of the new Focus platform show up.
I hope that doesn't mean shared parts with the Focus.
Based on my experience, at least here, the Focus is priced competitively, but its parts aren't.

The current Fiesta (with a manual transmission) is cheap to run, almost the same as its Asian competitors. Just avoid the Powershift models, major headache.

Has Ford officially announced when the 2017 Escape will officially be launched?
11-15-2015 05:25 PM
AM222
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED

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Originally Posted by igor2 View Post

Ford has plenty of leeway to take the CrossTrek/HRV route in the next EcoSport Top hat and making it less tall on the inside, and thus look less top-heavy. That alone would make it a better seller in EU/NA, thought question is how it would impact sales in SA and Asia.
India is the only reason why the EcoSport is short and stubby, so it falls under the lower (sub-4 meter) tax bracket that makes it cheaper in India.
This has zero advantage outside India.

All its competitors in Asia are actually longer and roomier.

Perhaps they can make two body styles next time like the Sub-4-meter Figo Aspire sedan and the export market Figo sedan with a longer full-size trunk like the Brazilian Ka+ sedan.

Something like a short EcoSport for India, and a longer version for the rest of the world.
11-15-2015 05:21 PM
2b2
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloggin
...- EcoSport(needs new name for NA) for NA market uses smaller version of current Escape/Focus platform with modifications...
hmm...
I could see EcoSport becoming the public name(-descriptor) for the A.M.P plat/prog/itecture
Agree model names hafta be better


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Originally Posted by igor2 View Post
...The Fiesta (AFAIK) Does not have a new platform ready, I suspect we may see a shrunk version of the new Focus platform show up, but I would expect that to be the mid-2020 gen Fiesta, not the one that should show up in 2018...
well,
FoMoCo HAS made a recent habit of developing off existing plat/prog/itectures instead of re-inventing;
like they added CD3 v6 & Awd capability to Mondeo without (apparently, to me) changing much else


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Originally Posted by igor2 View Post
...The EcoSport was built using the old foruma for miro-utes: "make the interior taller." That makes for spacious cabin, but awkward experior. The HRV and CX-3 have bodies almost identically tall as the Fit/Jazz and Mazda2 they are based on -- simply reshaped to look SUV-y and lifted 2 inches off the ground. In essence, the EcoSport is Forrester, and the HR-V is the Crosstrek. CrossTrek and Forrester represent this duality ver well -- same Impreza platform, different approaches to making an SUV from a car...


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Originally Posted by igor2 View Post
...Ford has plenty of leeway to take the CrossTrek/HRV route in the next EcoSport Top hat and making it less tall on the inside, and thus look less top-heavy. That alone would make it a better seller in EU/NA, thought question is how it would impact sales in SA and Asia...
I wonder if more could be accomplished (better global sales) if FoMoCo got away from B-Max/Bummux, MPV-spacePods (which haven't sold in the U.S since the GMs:TranSport/Silhouette imho and won't soon)
11-15-2015 04:36 PM
Bloggin
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED

Quote:
Originally Posted by igor2 View Post
We should get back to Escape, but let me participate in the OT EcoSport conversation for a bit.

The Fiesta (AFAIK) Does not have a new platform ready, I suspect we may see a shrunk version of the new Focus platform show up, but I would expect that to be the mid-2020 gen Fiesta, not the one that should show up in 2018.

Ford has been awfully quiet about the Fiesta development lately. There is zero chance Fiesta is going away, but we need to start hearing rumblings of development, mules, and prototypes.

The EcoSport was built using the old foruma for miro-utes: "make the interior taller." That makes for spacious cabin, but awkward experior. The HRV and CX-3 have bodies almost identically tall as the Fit/Jazz and Mazda2 they are based on -- simply reshaped to look SUV-y and lifted 2 inches off the ground. In essence, the EcoSport is Forrester, and the HR-V is the Crosstrek. CrossTrek and Forrester represent this duality ver well -- same Impreza platform, different approaches to making an SUV from a car.

Ford has plenty of leeway to take the CrossTrek/HRV route in the next EcoSport Top hat and making it less tall on the inside, and thus look less top-heavy. That alone would make it a better seller in EU/NA, thought question is how it would impact sales in SA and Asia. Finally, niceties like dampened glove-box are foot notes in development, they are decided purely on market positioning, and can even vary from one market to another (look at Fiesta's interior that can be quite cheap in S, and down-right luxurious in SES; VW does similar tricks with their cheap cars.).
Fiesta sells wel in Europe, so I expect the new model to be more evolutionary. Size is a big deal there also, which means it can't really get much bigger, and still meet the sub-compact needs in it's largest markets. Light weighting will be the big deal here. So expect the new/revised/repurposed platform it uses to be lighter weight, with more use of aluminum.

Looking at the EcoSport, I expect it to remain much as it is, but with the Escape growing a bit in size, the current platform could be used for a more NA specific (EcoSport like) vehicle below the new larger, more grown up Escape.

Which could look something like this:

- New Fiesta keeps current platform with updates/light weighting

- EcoSport(needs new name for NA) for NA market uses smaller version of current Escape/Focus platform with modifications

- New Escape gets new larger/lighter platform shared with New Focus and new C-Segment Lincoln.
11-15-2015 04:00 PM
igor2
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED

We should get back to Escape, but let me participate in the OT EcoSport conversation for a bit.

The Fiesta (AFAIK) Does not have a new platform ready, I suspect we may see a shrunk version of the new Focus platform show up, but I would expect that to be the mid-2020 gen Fiesta, not the one that should show up in 2018.

Ford has been awfully quiet about the Fiesta development lately. There is zero chance Fiesta is going away, but we need to start hearing rumblings of development, mules, and prototypes.

The EcoSport was built using the old foruma for miro-utes: "make the interior taller." That makes for spacious cabin, but awkward experior. The HRV and CX-3 have bodies almost identically tall as the Fit/Jazz and Mazda2 they are based on -- simply reshaped to look SUV-y and lifted 2 inches off the ground. In essence, the EcoSport is Forrester, and the HR-V is the Crosstrek. CrossTrek and Forrester represent this duality ver well -- same Impreza platform, different approaches to making an SUV from a car.

Ford has plenty of leeway to take the CrossTrek/HRV route in the next EcoSport Top hat and making it less tall on the inside, and thus look less top-heavy. That alone would make it a better seller in EU/NA, thought question is how it would impact sales in SA and Asia. Finally, niceties like dampened glove-box are foot notes in development, they are decided purely on market positioning, and can even vary from one market to another (look at Fiesta's interior that can be quite cheap in S, and down-right luxurious in SES; VW does similar tricks with their cheap cars.).
11-15-2015 01:33 PM
DetroitBORG
Re: 2017 Ford Escape SPIED

The EcoSport is doing extremely well in its original target markets but very poorly in Europe. It might be difficult for the EcoSport to be all things to all markets so they may want a separate model for the US and Europe (probably something like a B-Max successor which is an off-the-wall underperformer in Europe as well). I would also be somewhat surprised if Ford tries to launch the EcoSport name alongside EcoBoost in the US so a new brand should be on-tap. But then again, maybe those markets will have matured in a few years they can make a global EcoSport work.

We probably won't see a new EcoSport/B-Max until 2018-ish at earliest since we are waiting on the new Fiesta platform.
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