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07-03-2016 06:29 PM
2b2
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

^ afaik, half of the reasons might have just been the desire to close plants
iirc(!): 1st Wixom, then St.Thomas

tho kinda makes me wonder just how (far)forward thinking their planning is/can be...
...ie did they have Any inkling about an eventual cD6 back then??
.
07-03-2016 05:55 PM
ScarredKnightfan
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

Quote:
Originally Posted by glyphics View Post
A Rear Wheel Drive comeback is overdue for Ford. Unfortunately, they left a hole when they did not address RWD 4-door sedans.
For some of this ... this could very well be the understatement of a lifetime.

So many years later, of course, but I'm still shocked at Ford's decision to ax the Panther platform.....


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06-29-2016 11:43 PM
2b2
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

^ and very easy to add on to the end of a QuietLux commercial...

...with...

...a 3.0T-Z+DrvPkg roaring off into the sunset with the caption:
...or...

06-29-2016 11:01 PM
Bloggin
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

^....yeah....because when we think about it, 'Quiet Luxury' is not going to reach much of the sub 50 demographic, where luxury = performance+luxury. But 'Quiet Luxury' will bring the demographic down from 70 to 50.
06-29-2016 07:55 PM
2b2
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texican
shooting brake...
The CTS-V comes in it...
used to


Zan, looking at gathered forecasts, seems there's a refresh for 2018my and all-new for 2021my
fwiw...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bloggin
...My thought is that Lincoln is using the 'Quiet Luxury' concept, simply because it has no RWD platforms(too late to the game/late Lincoln turn around plan) to use to build luxury performance cars to directly compete with the Germans. So Lincoln had to use what they had to get the brand restarted. Which is why I think Ford is going overboard with Ford Performance, and targeting those RWD vehicles(Mustang, RS) after the RWD luxury brands. But this won't last too long...
tantalizing idea, B
tho an old rant of mine put true-performance under the Ford Brand
while Lincoln '''made do''' with 'ample'
06-29-2016 06:19 PM
Texican1911
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

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Originally Posted by falcon lover View Post
a shooting-brake (for Europe)
I really liked the look of the Magnum and would take one if you gave it to me, I don't see why a shooting brake wouldn't work here. The CTS-V comes in it...
06-29-2016 05:38 PM
ZanatWork
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

The main point behind my original post is that the Mustang has always, throughout its history, been a "parts bin special" because pony cars don't turn in the sales of mainstream offerings. As much as I am just petty enough to enjoy the difficulties GM is having selling their Camaro/ATS/CTS, I'm also well aware that the chassis under those cars is constantly showered with praise, and only GM's capacity to screw things up is keeping them from having a true hit, platform-wise.

As much as the 2015 Mustang was largely new, most Fordophiles are well aware that it started as another evolutionary update...a story all too familiar to Mustang fans for 50+ years. The Falcon, Pinto, and Fairmont were humble beginnings to work from, and the LS platform was simplified for the "retro" 2015 model. Unless my information has been inaccurate, some DEW elements are under today's Mustang.

I'm hoping that the worldwide embracing of the Mustang means that the "bones" are truly prioritized this time around, and that the inevitable platform-mates help to create a long-term business case for a truly world-class chassis that can be a statement in excellence regardless what vehicle it underpins.

A common theme for Mustang handling achievements has been that it out-performs its ingredients. The current model was competing with many of the world's best cars for honors among the various scribes, so there really is no turning back to humbler expectations. I'm not sure if the S650 will be the full-on example of Ford's engineering prowess that I'd certainly like it to be, but I'm hoping that Ford sees how the Mustang has raised the bar for the company's expectations, overall.
06-28-2016 11:30 PM
Bloggin
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

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Originally Posted by glyphics View Post
A Rear Wheel Drive comeback is overdue for Ford. Unfortunately, they left a hole when they did not address RWD 4-door sedans.

With its current and welcome new strategy, I still don't see how Ford is going to give Lincoln any real cachet. No-one named Lincoln dominates the boardroom and shareholders' meetings of the Ford Motor Company. Everything points to Lincoln remaining the poor (rich) stepchild within Ford.

If Ford needs a RWD sports sedan based on the S650, they can't sell it as a Lincoln in Europe. There, it would have to be a Ford. It seems Lincoln will never sell a car that is not based on (and competing with) a Ford. Is my hope that Lincoln cars would evolve into something other than gussied-up Fords being dashed on the rocks? Could Mulally have been right after all?
Lincoln is in a funny position. They have the MKZ that is just about the wheelbase of the next gen C-Class/3-Series launched and launching soon. But it's too wide, and the body is too tall and long. Oh yeah, and the Lincoln is FWD/AWD.

My thought is that Lincoln is using the 'Quiet Luxury' concept, simply because it has no RWD platforms(too late to the game/late Lincoln turn around plan) to use to build luxury performance cars to directly compete with the Germans. So Lincoln had to use what they had to get the brand restarted. Which is why I think Ford is going overboard with Ford Performance, and targeting those RWD vehicles(Mustang, RS) after the RWD luxury brands. But this won't last too long, Lincoln profit margins can be so much greater. The 400hp MKZ and 400hp Continental, along with the updated AWD system that gives the 'feeling' of RWD under hard acceleration and powering out of corners, are two good indications of what is to come. Marketing the Quiet Luxury and Effortless Power, and mentioning the 400hp and 400 lb-ft torque....quietly.

These are very good place holders until next gen MKZ and Continental along with new 'large car' on new RWD architecture comes. This is why I expect the next gen MKZ will be the slightly smaller(S650 RWD/AWD architecture) DIRECT C-Class/3-Series competitor, while the RWD/AWDContinental maintains it's E-Class/5-Series position, and new RWD/AWD 'large car' takes on S-Class. Then we can get a coupe and convertible from the new MKZ and Lincoln is looking good from the car standpoint. Fusion/Mondeo would get a slightly wider, FWD version of the same platform.

But back to where I started.....I don't think we have seen but a fraction of the fruits of the big investment Ford has put into Lincoln yet. What I see now is foundation building, identity and perception building, along the necessary time for sales increases that justifies network/dealership upgrades and expansion. Along with a slower transition from marketing to the 70+ year old 'quiet luxury' consumer to 50 down to the 30s. Being very smart with mixing Quiet Luxury with Effortless Power.

I think it is the next gen S650 architecture that I see as really getting the product side to true Lincoln level, through next gen MKZ sedan, coupe and convertible. Lincoln needs to be able to bring it all to the table by then, along with bringing in more of the sub 40 demographic.
06-27-2016 09:11 PM
2b2
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

^ *IF* FoMoCo is going to build everything less-truckish than the F-150 using (at least part of) the unified engineering of cD6/A.M.P,
which will require (imho) unprecedented flexibility,
then
I see no reason that Lincoln variants couldn't be 'different enough' that the gussied-up cliché would be completely baseless
(BESIDES:
the idea that Fords are decontented Lincolns(& Mercs)...
...the S650/S### could PROVE that)
+
Europe never was on this decade's to-Do list
++
post-BrExit-Yurpland might not be Luxland for the near future (even tho most Rich always suffer less than any other demographic if at all)
+++
between electrification and autonomy, imho pure-Rwd is going-going-gon


re: Vette
I was told at intro-time that the "StingRay" was a step-up;
seems that dealer-critter was wrong
06-27-2016 06:34 PM
glyphics
Re: A bit of Mustang philosophizing, here:

A Rear Wheel Drive comeback is overdue for Ford. Unfortunately, they left a hole when they did not address RWD 4-door sedans.

With its current and welcome new strategy, I still don't see how Ford is going to give Lincoln any real cachet. No-one named Lincoln dominates the boardroom and shareholders' meetings of the Ford Motor Company. Everything points to Lincoln remaining the poor (rich) stepchild within Ford.

If Ford needs a RWD sports sedan based on the S650, they can't sell it as a Lincoln in Europe. There, it would have to be a Ford. It seems Lincoln will never sell a car that is not based on (and competing with) a Ford. Is my hope that Lincoln cars would evolve into something other than gussied-up Fords being dashed on the rocks? Could Mulally have been right after all?
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