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09-28-2018 12:37 PM
Logans Run
Re: Updated 2-Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

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Originally Posted by ausrutherford View Post
FORD ECOBOOST JOINS F-150 LINEUP, DELIVERS UNBEATABLE CAPABILITY, POWER AND FUEL ECONOMY

The 2019 F-150 marks 8-years using the 3.5 EcoBoost in the truck.
I'd say Ford made an excellent decision back then!
09-24-2010 03:27 PM
igotzzoom
Re: Updated 2-Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

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Originally Posted by wingsnut View Post
Edward Sanchez, Truckin' magazine: “I tested all four of the new engines. This is best truck lineup in the business by far. You've sent everyone back to the drawing board. The 3.5 is the easy answer of what is my favorite engine. The 3.7 is peaky and has some nice zip to it. But the 5.0 is sweet, solid and it is going to do very well. It's what truckers want.”
I am in fact, Edward Sanchez of Truckin' Magazine (technically, truckinweb.com). That's a slight paraphrase of what I said, but essentially correct. I have chosen to honor Ford's requested embargo of driving impressions until Monday. But I've already done a complete, detailed write-up on my impressions that will be running on the Truckin' Blog as well as the Automotive.com blog.
09-24-2010 01:25 PM
wingsnut
Re: Updated 2-Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

Media testing is complete and reports will be coming very soon.

I could not wait however, and I wanted to throw some of the media comments out there.
In addition, the fuel economy for the boosted V6 was as high as 32.5mpg and as low as 21.5mpg. Averaged out, that is about 27. Nothing official yet, but 25mpg highway certainly is believeable.

From the media tests:

Don Sherman, Automobile magazine: “A lot of people had their doubts about EcoBoost when you first started talking about it. But you've erased a lot of that doubt since. With this truck, you've erased all doubt.”

Mike Levine, Pickuptrucks.com: “The 3.7 is the hot ticket. It is going to sell more than you think it will …The EcoBoost had the best performance, best steering and best everything.”

Jim Frank, MotorWeek: “I love an engine that doesn't feel like it is working too hard...and the EcoBoost is just that. Effortless. You don’t have to even worry about acceleration in the 3.5-(liter). I had it in manual mode and it felt like I was driving a sports car – literally!”

Chris Sawyer, Carsincontext.com (on the 3.5-liter): “It's the little engine that could. I could write a children's book on your EcoBoost.”

Greg Whale, NewCarTestDrive.com: “The 3.7 is a very rev-happy motor. The performance is terrific. What an excellent transmission. You don't even notice the shifts … The F-150 is the most confident in towing among all the vehicles we tested today.”

Stuart Bourdon, Trailer Boats magazine: “In the EcoBoost truck, the power comes on so smoothly. And you don't even feel the transmission shift … The 3.7 is very surprising. It's quick and really peppy. The 3.5 liter hauls a**. The F-150's interior is excellent and the seats are the best of the trucks here. When I sat down in the Chevy Silverado and looked at that dash, I thought, "Wow! It's 1980 again.' ”

Pete Erikson, Drivers Talk Radio: “There is no longer any base truck or any base engine. All the engines are extremely capable. I think the 3.7 offers the best blend of performance and value. I was really surprised at how strong it is. In my view, it's no longer about the number of cylinders. It is about capability. Now, the F-150 has an engine for everybody.”

David Goodspeed, AutoWorld: “With the EcoBoost engine, there's power wherever you want it. We pulled trailers over some hills and steep inclines, and the EcoBoost was right there. Still, I think it may take some time to convince people it's time to give up their V8s.”

Dan Edmunds, Edmunds.com: “The EcoBoost engine offers great trailering performance and leaves nothing lacking. The EPAS system is very well balanced. I hear a little cabin moan, but it is nothing objectionable.”

Bruce Smith, ProPickup Magazine: “The EcoBoost truck towing a trailer is as steady as if it is on rails. It pulled effortlessly on grades. The transmission didn’t have any need to go to a lower gear to hold the grade. The suspension has tight control on yaw and pitch. But cruising at about 2,000 (rpm), I noticed, a slight booming moan. In contrast, the Silverado has a very nervous ride. The Silverado steering wheel motion will wear you out over a long drive, and the vehicle felt like it was skating all over the road.”

Javier Fueyo, Editorial Televisa: “Towing a trailer with the F-150 EcoBoost is as easy as driving a big sedan. It felt no different with the trailer back there … Toyota's interior is filled with cheap materials. And there's big difference in engine noise.”

Dan Carney, MSNBC.com: “The EcoBoost delivers. You proved that today. The challenge will be how you market the engine to people who only know V8s.”

Mike Allen, Popular Mechanics: “The EcoBoost powertrain is smooth and quiet. The transmission operates seamlessly in the background. You don't notice it.”

Gina Woods, Open Road Radio: “The 3.7 smokes the Silverado's V6 and V8. I really like the trailer naming feature. This will be a very useful tool for people who tow often.”

Edward Sanchez, Truckin' magazine: “I tested all four of the new engines. This is best truck lineup in the business by far. You've sent everyone back to the drawing board. The 3.5 is the easy answer of what is my favorite engine. The 3.7 is peaky and has some nice zip to it. But the 5.0 is sweet, solid and it is going to do very well. It's what truckers want.”

Jim Kircher, Government Engineering Journal: “Right out of the chute, the 3.5 responsive, firm and secure.”

Jeremy Korzeniewski, AutoBlog: “The 3.5 liter has plenty of power. No one will be hurting for power in this truck. Power is definitely not lacking in this truck. The FX4 feels superior in every way to the GM truck. GM feels like weak sauce.”

Mike Sutton, Car & Driver: “The EcoBoost has strong acceleration. It is smooth and seamless. This is really quiet, a very impressive standout and noticeably more refined than other trucks. There is going to be a real opportunity with EcoBoost to customize the exhaust and performance. With the six-speed transmission, the MPG is very impressive. I found the 4.2-inch LCD screen very useful. Not only is it packed with information, but it is more intuitive than GM's.”

Marty Padgett, High Gear Media: “You guys did an outstanding job with EPAS. This is one of the best applications, and it is better than many of the cars I have driven. Of the new engines, EcoBoost would be the one I would buy. Performance is exceptionally strong. Acceleration onto the highway was a surprise. If I could get a consistent 22 mpg from it I would be very happy.”

Al Vinikour, Freelance: “Compared with the F-150, the Chevy trailer tow is very unstable and difficult to maintain in the lane. The trailer chucks forward and backwards on the Chevy. There's plenty of power in reserve in the EcoBoost for passing on the highway.”

Kurt Lawton, Progressive Farmer: “The 3.5-liter EcoBoost is really a solid engine. It has effortless power. I think there is an application for my readers who are primarily grain farmers. It is going to take some mindset changing. But I think it is doable. They have to get this 'Must have a V8' thing out of their heads." On the 3.5-liter: "This is a performance motor that is fun to drive. The Eco part is just a bonus. This is too fun.”

Brandon Gillogly, Truckin' Magazine: “The 3.7 is energetic at the top end. Dealers should have customers tip in to differentiate from Chevy. I can not hear the turbos, but is that a good thing or a bad? The 3.5 delivers power really well.”

Bob Cox, Fort Worth Star-Telegram: “The 3.7 is louder than the Chevy (V6 that I own), but it is more powerful. The 3.5, once you drive it, is great.”

Mark Vaughn, AutoWeek: “A pickup truck with a V-6 that revs to 7,000 RPM…that's remarkable.”

Ken Brubaker, Four Wheeler Magazine on the 3.5-liter: “The motor takes your breath away. The most surprising thing I saw is how strong it pulls through the gears.”
09-24-2010 01:24 PM
wingsnut
Re: Updated 2-Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

Media testing is complete and reports will be coming very soon.

I could not wait however, and I wanted to throw some of the media comments out there.
In addition, the fuel economy for the boosted V6 was as high as 32.5mpg and as low as 21.5mpg. Averaged out, that is about 27. Nothing official yet, but 25mpg highway certainly is believeable.

From the media tests:

Don Sherman, Automobile magazine: “A lot of people had their doubts about EcoBoost when you first started talking about it. But you've erased a lot of that doubt since. With this truck, you've erased all doubt.”

Mike Levine, Pickuptrucks.com: “The 3.7 is the hot ticket. It is going to sell more than you think it will …The EcoBoost had the best performance, best steering and best everything.”

Jim Frank, MotorWeek: “I love an engine that doesn't feel like it is working too hard...and the EcoBoost is just that. Effortless. You don’t have to even worry about acceleration in the 3.5-(liter). I had it in manual mode and it felt like I was driving a sports car – literally!”

Chris Sawyer, Carsincontext.com (on the 3.5-liter): “It's the little engine that could. I could write a children's book on your EcoBoost.”

Greg Whale, NewCarTestDrive.com: “The 3.7 is a very rev-happy motor. The performance is terrific. What an excellent transmission. You don't even notice the shifts … The F-150 is the most confident in towing among all the vehicles we tested today.”

Stuart Bourdon, Trailer Boats magazine: “In the EcoBoost truck, the power comes on so smoothly. And you don't even feel the transmission shift … The 3.7 is very surprising. It's quick and really peppy. The 3.5 liter hauls a**. The F-150's interior is excellent and the seats are the best of the trucks here. When I sat down in the Chevy Silverado and looked at that dash, I thought, "Wow! It's 1980 again.' ”

Pete Erikson, Drivers Talk Radio: “There is no longer any base truck or any base engine. All the engines are extremely capable. I think the 3.7 offers the best blend of performance and value. I was really surprised at how strong it is. In my view, it's no longer about the number of cylinders. It is about capability. Now, the F-150 has an engine for everybody.”

David Goodspeed, AutoWorld: “With the EcoBoost engine, there's power wherever you want it. We pulled trailers over some hills and steep inclines, and the EcoBoost was right there. Still, I think it may take some time to convince people it's time to give up their V8s.”

Dan Edmunds, Edmunds.com: “The EcoBoost engine offers great trailering performance and leaves nothing lacking. The EPAS system is very well balanced. I hear a little cabin moan, but it is nothing objectionable.”

Bruce Smith, ProPickup Magazine: “The EcoBoost truck towing a trailer is as steady as if it is on rails. It pulled effortlessly on grades. The transmission didn’t have any need to go to a lower gear to hold the grade. The suspension has tight control on yaw and pitch. But cruising at about 2,000 (rpm), I noticed, a slight booming moan. In contrast, the Silverado has a very nervous ride. The Silverado steering wheel motion will wear you out over a long drive, and the vehicle felt like it was skating all over the road.”

Javier Fueyo, Editorial Televisa: “Towing a trailer with the F-150 EcoBoost is as easy as driving a big sedan. It felt no different with the trailer back there … Toyota's interior is filled with cheap materials. And there's big difference in engine noise.”

Dan Carney, MSNBC.com: “The EcoBoost delivers. You proved that today. The challenge will be how you market the engine to people who only know V8s.”

Mike Allen, Popular Mechanics: “The EcoBoost powertrain is smooth and quiet. The transmission operates seamlessly in the background. You don't notice it.”

Gina Woods, Open Road Radio: “The 3.7 smokes the Silverado's V6 and V8. I really like the trailer naming feature. This will be a very useful tool for people who tow often.”

Edward Sanchez, Truckin' magazine: “I tested all four of the new engines. This is best truck lineup in the business by far. You've sent everyone back to the drawing board. The 3.5 is the easy answer of what is my favorite engine. The 3.7 is peaky and has some nice zip to it. But the 5.0 is sweet, solid and it is going to do very well. It's what truckers want.”

Jim Kircher, Government Engineering Journal: “Right out of the chute, the 3.5 responsive, firm and secure.”

Jeremy Korzeniewski, AutoBlog: “The 3.5 liter has plenty of power. No one will be hurting for power in this truck. Power is definitely not lacking in this truck. The FX4 feels superior in every way to the GM truck. GM feels like weak sauce.”

Mike Sutton, Car & Driver: “The EcoBoost has strong acceleration. It is smooth and seamless. This is really quiet, a very impressive standout and noticeably more refined than other trucks. There is going to be a real opportunity with EcoBoost to customize the exhaust and performance. With the six-speed transmission, the MPG is very impressive. I found the 4.2-inch LCD screen very useful. Not only is it packed with information, but it is more intuitive than GM's.”

Marty Padgett, High Gear Media: “You guys did an outstanding job with EPAS. This is one of the best applications, and it is better than many of the cars I have driven. Of the new engines, EcoBoost would be the one I would buy. Performance is exceptionally strong. Acceleration onto the highway was a surprise. If I could get a consistent 22 mpg from it I would be very happy.”

Al Vinikour, Freelance: “Compared with the F-150, the Chevy trailer tow is very unstable and difficult to maintain in the lane. The trailer chucks forward and backwards on the Chevy. There's plenty of power in reserve in the EcoBoost for passing on the highway.”

Kurt Lawton, Progressive Farmer: “The 3.5-liter EcoBoost is really a solid engine. It has effortless power. I think there is an application for my readers who are primarily grain farmers. It is going to take some mindset changing. But I think it is doable. They have to get this 'Must have a V8' thing out of their heads." On the 3.5-liter: "This is a performance motor that is fun to drive. The Eco part is just a bonus. This is too fun.”

Brandon Gillogly, Truckin' Magazine: “The 3.7 is energetic at the top end. Dealers should have customers tip in to differentiate from Chevy. I can not hear the turbos, but is that a good thing or a bad? The 3.5 delivers power really well.”

Bob Cox, Fort Worth Star-Telegram: “The 3.7 is louder than the Chevy (V6 that I own), but it is more powerful. The 3.5, once you drive it, is great.”

Mark Vaughn, AutoWeek: “A pickup truck with a V-6 that revs to 7,000 RPM…that's remarkable.”

Ken Brubaker, Four Wheeler Magazine on the 3.5-liter: “The motor takes your breath away. The most surprising thing I saw is how strong it pulls through the gears.”
09-23-2010 07:01 PM
igotzzoom
Re: Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

Quote:
Originally Posted by Extreme4x4 View Post
You want to read some funny comments?? Head over to the motortrend forum, on this subject. According to some there, Ford forgot to durability test this engine in hot locations, so it will implode while towing, in the heat and mountains.

Silly Ford.
Maybe by the NASCAR-watchin', Chevy-lovin', Bud Light-drinkin', overhead cam-hatin' Bubbas that want to see this engine do a giant faceplant. The impression I got talking to some of the engineers first-hand is that they tested the snot out of this engine.
09-23-2010 05:55 PM
ausrutherford
Re: Updated-Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

Running hot and cold: Ford f-150 with ecoboost engine takes on baja 1000 off-road desert race
www.media.ford.com

•A 2011 Ford F-150 EcoBoost™ engine will take on the demanding Tecate SCORE Baja 1000 long-distance desert endurance race later this year, marking Ford’s EcoBoost engine racing debut. Ford trucks have won more Baja 1000 titles (13) than any other four-wheel manufacturer
•Ford will equip the F-150 off-road race truck with the same stock EcoBoost engine that already has experienced 150,000 equivalent miles of dyno testing and other real-world tests as the final step in the durability torture tests
•The EcoBoost truck engine is tested to the equivalent of more than 1.6 million total miles of harsh customer use in the lab, in test cells and on the road
•The new F-150 EcoBoost has 420 lb.-ft. of torque – more than any competitive half-ton truck – and provides an unequaled combination of capability and fuel economy
•Racing the EcoBoost truck engine under these conditions, which include temperature swings from just above freezing to well above 100 degrees, harsh terrain and at least 30 hours driving the course, helps validate the testing of the new truck engine
Dallas, Sept. 23, 2010 – The 2011 Ford F-150 EcoBoost stands ready to challenge and conquer the harsh environment that makes the world-famous Tecate SCORE Baja 1000 an unparalleled test of man and machine – and the world racing debut for Ford’s EcoBoost engine.

Ford will enter a 2011 F-150 in November’s prestigious long-distance desert endurance race, powered by a stock version of the new 3.5-liter EcoBoost truck engine that will be available in the 2011 F-150 early next year.
The engine was selected randomly off the line from Cleveland Engine Plant to prove out the rigid durability and reliability tests the engine endured during development. The Baja 1000 race is part of an extensive torture test program by Ford for customers to see for themselves the extreme durability testing and development of the class-leading EcoBoost truck engine.

Viewers can visit fordvehicles.com/2011F150 to get an exclusive look at how first an EcoBoost truck engine endured thousands of miles on the dynamometer and in the laboratory to ensure 150,000-mile durability for even the most demanding F-150 customer before taking on real-world challenges.

On the same site will be a series of web-based documentaries hosted and narrated by Mike Rowe of the popular Discovery Channel series Dirty Jobs. These documentaries will show the toughest challenges the 2011 F-150 EcoBoost faces in the real world, including:

Hauling timber

•The 2011 F-150 EcoBoost joins a lumber company in Oregon, working as a log skidder to show off its best-in-class hauling and 420 ft-lbs of torque. This severe duty involves dragging logs weighing thousands of pounds up steep grades. The 2011 F-150 EcoBoost replaces larger, heavy-duty machinery to perform the task.
24 hours of NASCAR

•Following its work in the Pacific Northwest, the same 2011 F-150 EcoBoost heads to Homestead-Miami Speedway in Florida to demonstrate its best-in-class towing capability of 11,300 pounds. The truck will tow a pair of Sprint Cup Ford Fusions for 24 hours around the 1.5-mile oval. Befitting the track, site of the NASCAR Sprint Cup season finale, the fully stock 2011 F-150 EcoBoost will run at full throttle, reaching speeds in excess of 90 mph on the straights, stopping only for tires and more 87 octane fuel.
Teardown

•After all the pulling, towing, desert racing and much more, viewers will get an inside look at the durability of the EcoBoost when Ford engineers tear it down to evaluate the extensive testing program.
“The engine going into our race truck for the Tecate SCORE Baja 1000 is the same engine going into the 2011 Ford F-150 that customers can purchase starting next year,” said Eric Kuehn, chief engineer of the 2011 F-150. “No special blocks or structural upgrades. We are fully confident that because of the strict testing the 3.5-liter EcoBoost truck engines underwent before we started manufacturing, it will take anything the desert can dish out.”

Ford will compete in full-size stock class, which includes competitors with unlimited V8 engines. For safety, a full roll cage is added to each truck. Also allowed for competition are modifications to the suspension, tires and wheels.

Built Ford Tough testing
Durability and reliability are key in this type of racing environment. Temperatures can range from just above freezing at night to nearly 120 degrees during the day and the yet-to-be-announced race course may go from just above sea level to more than 8,500 feet above and back down again.

Three avenues that test and validate all truck engines are computer analysis, laboratory work and in-vehicle exercises. All the tests together replicate more than 1.6 million miles of customer usage – the harshest-use customer. A customer profile reflecting extreme-use driving style, road types and vehicle usage, including maximum towing and payload situations, was developed to underpin the testing program.

For the 2011 F-150 EcoBoost, that includes analytical time, dynamometer testing at full boost, in-vehicle test time, thermal test cycles ranging from 20 degrees Fahrenheit to 235 degrees Fahrenheit, fatigue testing with engine running nonstop between peak horsepower and peak torque and road tests.

In addition to being durable and reliable, race engines have to perform. Desert endurance racing’s extreme environment is where the 3.5-liter EcoBoost truck engine’s inherent performance advantages – twin turbochargers and direct fuel injection to boost performance – will shine. This strategy produces 420 lb.-ft. of torque at 2,500 rpm and 365 horsepower at 5,000 rpm – all on regular fuel. The EcoBoost truck engine has up to 90 percent of its peak torque available from 1,700 rpm to 5,000 rpm.

“The torque starts right away and is very consistent right up to the engine’s redline. That performance is so key to the duty cycle of an off-road racer,” said Cliff Irey, Ford truck motorsports lead.

Off-road racers – like many F-150 customers – spend most of their time between 20 mph and 50 mph, accelerating and decelerating. Another similarity is the F-150s in the Baja 1000 will be fueled with regular pump gasoline rather than specially blended racing fuel that is almost four times as expensive.

“In addition to durability, reliability and top performance, we expect the EcoBoost to get outstanding fuel mileage to the point of saving one or two fuel stops during the race,” Irey said.

Pushing production engines to the limit in this harsh environment is nothing new for Ford. The new 6.2-liter V8 gasoline engine standard in the 2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty, 2011 Ford F-150 SVT Raptor and the 2011 Ford Harley-Davidson™ F-150 helped a Raptor R earn a podium finish in the 2008 Baja 1000.

It’s part of a Ford heritage that includes more Baja 1000 and Best in the Desert titles than any four-wheel manufacturer. Earlier this year, Ford swept the top eight places in Class 1400 – “Trick Truck” class of the Best in the Desert’s Las Vegas to Reno event.

“The desert racing environment has been a tremendous laboratory for Ford over the years,” said Kuehn. “We’re eager to watch the 3.5-liter EcoBoost truck engine prove its durability, reliability, performance and fuel economy in this tough setting.”



09-23-2010 01:35 AM
Extreme4x4
Re: Updated-Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

I just think it is hilarious, that on one of those charts on Autoblog, that the base 3.7L F150 is faster than the 5.3L Silverado.

Also, the Ecoboost, beating the Hemi Ram 1500, from 40-70................ while towing 10K pounds.............. by 3.5 seconds, is huge. (both towing 10K pounds).
09-22-2010 08:59 PM
ausrutherford
Re: Updated-Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

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Originally Posted by Extreme4x4 View Post
This means it will get 24-25mpg on the highway............... based on all of Fords recent releases. They always under promise, and over deliver.
I have been hearing 25 for the 3.5EB for awhile as well. Which makes sense since a turbo'ed engine should at least equal the the non-turbo'ed.



09-22-2010 08:25 PM
Extreme4x4
Re: Updated-Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

This means it will get 24-25mpg on the highway............... based on all of Fords recent releases. They always under promise, and over deliver.
09-22-2010 07:01 PM
ausrutherford
Re: Updated-Texas State Fair 2010: New Engines and Models for the F-150

2011 Ford F-150's 3.7-liter V-6 Estimated at 23 MPG Highway
By Mike Levine
September 22, 2010
pickuptrucks.com

Hidden in the fine print of a poster at Ford’s introduction of the 2011 F-150 is a revelation that its 3.7-liter V-6 is expected to get an EPA rating of 23 mpg on the highway in the two-wheel-drive model.

Ford’s all-new Duratec 3.7-liter V-6 is the new base engine for the F-150. It’s rated at 302 horsepower and 278 pounds-feet of torque on regular unleaded fuel, though it will also burn E85 ethanol. It debuted earlier this year in the 2011 Ford Mustang, where it’s rated at 305 hp and 280 pounds-feet of torque. It’s also shared with the Ford Edge crossover.

Ford hasn’t officially revealed fuel economy figures yet for its 2011 F-150 engine lineup.

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