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11-02-2018 08:14 PM
AM222
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

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Originally Posted by wingsnut View Post
That was pretty much my conclusion as well. If it had a 1.5L GTDI and 8 speed, it would be a star.
I'm assuming the 1.5L 3-cylinder (GTDI) EcoBoost is based on the block/architecture of the naturally aspirated 121hp 1.5L 3-cylinder Dragon engine (which is used by the base EcoSport in other markets).



Off-topic: this Tucci Hot Rods modified EcoSport SES 4WD for SEMA 2018 looks cool.
11-02-2018 05:40 PM
wingsnut
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

That was pretty much my conclusion as well. If it had a 1.5L GTDI and 8 speed, it would be a star.
11-02-2018 02:16 PM
badhac
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

Just saw Motor Trend's take on the Ecosport for their SUV of the year competition.....Ouch

WE LIKE Sync user interface, well-appointed interior on SES model

WE DON'T LIKE Engines that sound like they're begging for mercy

This is a shareholder-value vehicle, not a customer-value vehicle. There's a mini-ute profit war brewing, and Ford can't afford to be Switzerland, so the company has gone to battle with the aging army it has, not the cutting-edge army it surely must have wanted.

We look forward to discovering flashes of Expedition/Navigator brilliance in the EcoSport's replacement, but for now there's little to recommend a tall, tippy, gawky-looking, ironically named, developing-market trucklet that's woefully short of both eco and sport.

Several editors nevertheless managed to find nice things to say. Human sequoia Zach Gale was pleasantly surprised by the spaciousness and cushy armrests in the tall, upright rear seat, gadget-boy Stefan Ogbac appreciated the Sync 3 system's ease of use and instant responsiveness, and Kim Reynolds praised the EcoSport's dynamics on our figure-eight course. It even traversed the tilted-slab L.A. Interstate 110 replica with reasonable suppleness, making us wonder if that was because its wheelbase was shorter than the slabs.

But these pleasantries were outnumbered in our logbooks by less flattering critiques. "It's poor on gas, noisy, and ugly," Scottish straight-talker Gordon Dickie declared. Noted Angus MacKenzie: "The engines drone, and there's a lot of diagonal pitch in corners." Ogbac observed, "Everything screams 'built to price,' yet it can hit $30,000 when fully optioned."

And on the off-road course, where the 1.0-liter front-driver struggled mightily in shallow, snowlike sand, Christian Seabaugh so flustered the poor thing that it threw this very unusual warning: "Power reduced to lower engine temp." His EcoSport summation expresses our collective sentiment: "Ford of North America didn't take this vehicle seriously, so why should I?"
05-10-2018 05:27 PM
AM222
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

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Originally Posted by Bloggin View Post
EcoSport is getting new competition and starting and entry level $2k less.
The Kicks is only offered with an entry-level 1.6 liter naturally-aspirated engine.
For the US & Canada, Ford went straight the 1.0 liter EcoBoost which has a torque advantage.

*In other markets the EcoSport's standard engine is a naturally-aspirated 1.5 liter Dragon inline-3 engine which produces about the same power and torque as the Fiesta's old 1.6 liter naturally-aspirated inline-4.


-motor1
05-09-2018 10:00 PM
Bloggin
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

EcoSport is getting new competition and starting and entry level $2k less.



"Nissan has announced pricing for its all-new 2018 Kicks compact crossover. The Kicks is replacing the Juke which recently went out of production in the Nissan crossover lineup.

Pricing for the Kicks will start from $17,990 for the entry-level S model. The mid-grade Kicks SV will retail from $19,690, while the range-topping Kicks SR will carry an MSRP of $20,290. All prices exclude a mandatory $975 destination charge."


https://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-...ks-100479.html
04-15-2018 08:22 PM
AM222
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

I'll just put this photos here since it's one of the most recent EcoSport threads.

This appears to be a Ford media drive event of the EcoSport in Europe, something you probably won't see in the US.




Was not expecting them to take the ST-Line model (photo below) to muddy rutted trails with those low-profile 215/45R18 tires.

-autoevolution.com
01-10-2018 03:17 PM
2b2
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

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Originally Posted by AM222 View Post
According to Cambridge Dictionary, if you click the sound clip, in UK English "Eco" sounds like "ee-co" with a long "e", while in US English it sound like "echo". https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/...on/english/eco
Technically both are interchangable...
lots of accents in both the US & UK
& the US does not have what the Brits call "Received Pronunciation" (something I just heard about)

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Originally Posted by AM222 View Post
...I believe it will be the Focus ST and/or RS that will be sourced from Europe, most likely because the performance models won't be made in China.

PS: 2b2, have you seen the new EcoSport in the metal?
not yet - if they don't arrive locally in the next few weeks (( for our dealer-run mini-autoshow ))
I might not see one up close for a nother full YEAR
01-10-2018 04:11 AM
AM222
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

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Originally Posted by Bloggin View Post
it is interesting how Honda can seem to make a profit on the all now 2018 HR-V built in Mexico, but Ford can't make a profit on their 2003 refreshed model.
You mean refreshed version of the 2013 second gen model.



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Originally Posted by Assimilator View Post
it's a class and size below the competition with allot more compromise (no spare tire, smallest interior
I wouldn't say it has the smallest interior, that would be the CX-3 (which is lower but longer).
Mazda CX-3
Headroom, front/rear (in) 38.4 / 37.2
Shoulder room, front/rear (in) 53.5 / 50.4
Hip room, front/rear (in) 52.3 / 49.0
Legroom, front/rear (in) 41.7 / 35.0
Cargo volume - behind rear seats (cu ft) 12.4
Cargo volume - 2nd-row seats folded (cu ft) 44.5

Ford Ecosport
Headroom, front/rear (in) 39.6 / 37.5
Shoulder room, front/rear (in) 53.3 / 51.3
Hip room, front/rear (in) 51.6 / 50.9
Legroom, front/rear (in) 42.9 / 36.7
Cargo volume - behind rear seats (cu ft) 20.9
Cargo volume - 2nd-row seats folded (cu ft) 50

Smallest exterior doesn't always mean smallest interior, unlike the Fiesta, the EcoSport actually has good interior packaging.
*The EcoSport's interior space is almost the same as the Chevy Trax which has a larger exterior.

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Originally Posted by Assimilator View Post
smallest and narrowest wheels in the segment
Honestly I think its 16-inch and 17-inch wheels on 205/60R16 and 205/50R17 tires are just right for a sub-compact. I'd rather have those than wide wheels that require wide expensive low profile tires.

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Originally Posted by Assimilator View Post
...and obviously poorer interior quality. What's worse is that the US is getting the cheaper Indian built model which Europe hated, rather than the better upgraded Estonian built version which gets better amenities, interior trim materials, sound isolation, suspension tuning, instrumentation, and much more.
The only thing the US version lacks is the ST-Line version. Is there actual proof the US-spec model has less sound insulation? US-version is made in India but the specs are not the same as the Indian-spec model.
01-10-2018 03:08 AM
Bloggin
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

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Originally Posted by Assimilator View Post
There is a crude and cute charm to the EcoSport compared to the larger and more polished competition, but it needs to be MUCH cheaper, it's a class and size below the competition with allot more compromise (no spare tire, smallest interior, mediocre economy and power, side-swinging gate, smallest and narrowest wheels in the segment, and obviously poorer interior quality). What's worse is that the US is getting the cheaper Indian built model which Europe hated, rather than the better upgraded Estonian built version which gets better amenities, interior trim materials, sound isolation, suspension tuning, instrumentation, and much more.

Ford obviously doesn't expect to lead the segment with EcoSport, but it helps to stem their customer erosion as they ramp down their small car business. Escape is also growing in size (and price presumably) in about 2 years which leaves more room for EcoSport beneath it. I think the reason Ford has shown so little interest in this particular market is that it's just not going to be very profitable in the US but they are keeping the plants busy for the rest of the world.
it is interesting how Honda can seem to make a profit on the all now 2018 HR-V built in Mexico, but Ford can't make a profit on their 2003 refreshed model. The tradeoff is a newer design, higher sales, vs old refresh, lower sales, more trim levels for increased margins, fewer customers in the segment. If this was an EV, it would be considered a compliance vehicle, like the Focus Electric. Just because they need to have 'something' to sell in the segment.

Sales projections?

I will put it about half of current Fiesta sales, around 25k annually.
01-10-2018 02:41 AM
AM222
Re: 2018 US EcoSport Video

According to Cambridge Dictionary, if you click the sound clip, in UK English "Eco" sounds like "ee-co" with a long "e", while in US English it sound like "echo". https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/...on/english/eco

Technically both are interchangable.

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Originally Posted by 2b2 View Post
^ interesting

for the Focus (supposedly) Fomoco is willing to import the 'good' one from Yurpland along with the cheapo one from China...

wonder why they won't do the good EchoSport from Yurpland along with the cheapo EekoSport from India??

could there just-enough more profit for the Focus to make it worthwhile? OR is the Yurpish E.Sport factory already maxed out?
I believe it will be the Focus ST and/or RS that will be sourced from Europe, most likely because the performance models won't be made in China.

PS: 2b2, have you seen the new EcoSport in the metal?
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