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08-15-2018 06:54 AM
falcon lover
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

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By that whacky definition then the Corolla is a luxury car.

Some people when think in “luxury” , think in “money”. That is a big mistake. Luxury is much more than money... luxury is that thing that you don’t need, but you want.

A mediocre Chinese compact sedan can serve you as a Corolla does... but the Corolla, a more expensive car, does it in a better form. Maybe, after all, the Toyota Corolla is a luxury car if you compare it with others...
08-14-2018 08:35 PM
Samesun
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

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Luxury is more related with quality, good execution , excellence and reputation. Tesla is anything but that...
By that whacky definition then the Corolla is a luxury car.
08-14-2018 06:51 PM
falcon lover
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

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Tesla is most definitely a luxury product with amenities and technologies far beyond the typical car. In what way is a Model S or Model X not a luxury car?

As for the SuperDuty comparison, that's about as silly as comparing a school bus to an exotic luxury vehicle because it costs over 6 figures.
Luxury is more related with quality, good execution , excellence and reputation. Tesla is anything but that...
08-14-2018 06:38 PM
Assimilator
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

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Tesla is not a luxury product. Is an expensive product. The luxury is not related (only) with the price. Is a 70000$ F-350 Super Duty Dually a luxury product?
Tesla is most definitely a luxury product with amenities, technologies, and performance far beyond the typical car. In what way is a Model S or Model X not a luxury car?

As for the SuperDuty comparison, that's about as silly as comparing a school bus to an exotic luxury vehicle because it costs over 6 figures.
08-14-2018 04:20 PM
falcon lover
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

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I think FULLY electrifying gas products is the wrong way to go, it's a nice cheap solution to put your toe in the water but it's never going to be be as appealing as a Tesla. The only BEVs I would personally care about are those that take full advantage of the technology instead of just bolting it in and reprogramming the gauge cluster. And ultimately it's a terrible value because you're paying the same for compromise. I'm glad to see Ford is not interested in making another Focus EV, the C-EV (Mach1) is the right solution for those customers and for Ford customers. Although Ford is still far from a premium or exotic Tesla product, their approach is more appealing by miles than the mainstream competition (especially Bolt). I think Ford will just start sneaking electrification into customer hands who wouldn't normally buy them which I think is smart and ultimately more important. Ford's C2 PHEV/HEVs aren't really that compelling (not particularly groundbreaking), but it's their RWD HEVs and that entire 10-Speed Hybrid program that's much more impactful for Ford customers and I have a hard time not believing it won't be tremendously influential.

I will hand it to Tesla, no matter what you think of them, it's the only American luxury product that is giving the Germans a run for their money.

Tesla is not a luxury product. Is an expensive product. The luxury is not related (only) with the price. Is a 70000$ F-350 Super Duty Dually a luxury product?
08-14-2018 02:15 PM
Assimilator
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

I think FULLY electrifying gas products is the wrong way to go, it's a nice cheap solution to put your toe in the water but it's never going to be be as appealing as a Tesla. The only BEVs I would personally care about are those that take full advantage of the technology instead of just bolting it in and reprogramming the gauge cluster. And ultimately it's a terrible value because you're paying the same for compromise. I'm glad to see Ford is not interested in making another Focus EV, the C-EV (Mach1) is the right solution for those customers and for Ford customers. Although Ford is still far from a premium or exotic Tesla product, their approach is more appealing by miles than the mainstream competition (especially Bolt). I think Ford will just start sneaking electrification into customer hands who wouldn't normally buy them which I think is smart and ultimately more important. Ford's C2 PHEV/HEVs aren't really that compelling (not particularly groundbreaking), but it's their RWD HEVs and that entire 10-Speed Hybrid program that's much more impactful for Ford customers and I have a hard time not believing it won't be tremendously influential.

I will hand it to Tesla, no matter what you think of them, it's the only American luxury product that is giving the Germans a run for their money.
08-14-2018 12:11 PM
rmc523
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

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I have to see what BMW has to offer. But a 3-Series without all the maintenance issues but with all the EV benefits will work. As long as the price is 'close' to Model 3 and gets at least 300 miles of range.

All I can say is Tesla better get the Model 3 production up to 10k on plan(early next year), so that the price can drop to $28k as expected, so there is a wider gap between the price of the Model 3 and the 3-Series EV.
They're not going to drop the price to 28K. You're the only person I've seen anywhere imply this.
08-14-2018 11:26 AM
Bloggin
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

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Ummm... are you re-thinking the Model 3 purchase idea?

I have to see what BMW has to offer. But a 3-Series without all the maintenance issues but with all the EV benefits will work. As long as the price is 'close' to Model 3 and gets at least 300 miles of range.

All I can say is Tesla better get the Model 3 production up to 10k on plan(early next year), so that the price can drop to $28k as expected, so there is a wider gap between the price of the Model 3 and the 3-Series EV.
08-14-2018 11:19 AM
Bloggin
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

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There have been Model3 rear bumpers falling off mentioned on some new owners Twitter feeds. Seem the Model3 cannot handle running down the road in the rain and keeping its body parts intact. My guess is the tent factory has some assembly line issues. :-)
I saw that yesterday. There was 2 out of over 60,000 produced. The guess is brackets that hold the bumper on were too weak or were not installed properly. I have had to have my bumpers on my BMW adjusted several times front and back because they start to fall down due to the plastic brackets giving way. It's funny that we call it a bumper, but it's just a plastic cover over the actual bumper.
08-14-2018 05:28 AM
falcon lover
Re: BMW Tests Electric 3 Series

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There have been Model3 rear bumpers falling off mentioned on some new owners Twitter feeds. Seem the Model3 cannot handle running down the road in the rain and keeping its body parts intact. My guess is the tent factory has some assembly line issues. :-)



How long is the Tesla model´s warranty? This car have 1/2 hour with its new owner!






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