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10-01-2018 06:09 PM
70 Stang Yeah, but not having a true luxury sedan on D6 just seems like a waste to me......and I'm not a sedan person!
10-01-2018 04:49 PM
glyphics
Re: No Love at Ford; No Love at FIN

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Originally Posted by Andrew L View Post
GOOD!


A Lincoln Pickup is not going to fix their problems the Mark LT was the definition of REBADGE.
Disclaimer: I was not advocating for a Pickup nor for a coupe for Lincoln (unless, of course, it is a BIG coupe, not a rebadged Mustang).

Lincoln has to distinguish itself and Ford won't let them do it.
10-01-2018 12:55 PM
Andrew L
Re: No Love at Ford; No Love at FIN

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There is no Lincoln pickup

GOOD!


A Lincoln Pickup is not going to fix their problems the Mark LT was the definition of REBADGE.
10-01-2018 11:27 AM
glyphics
Re: No Love at Ford; No Love at FIN

"One Ford" would have axed Lincoln as well as Mercury, save - as I understand it - for last minute heroics by Fields. Lincoln exists only because GM still has Cadillac. For Ford to dwindle to one brand while GM prospered with four would have been too bitter a pill to swallow.

However, with Ford retreating from its traditional markets (for reasons which are entirely their fault), can Lincoln survive? There is no Lincoln pickup and no Lincoln coupe. Their offerings are still gussied-up Fords no matter their inherent, evident goodness. They could have offered something Ford didn't have; a RWD 4-door luxo/sport sedan based on Mustang but Ford declined (might have been too good for Lincoln, just like DEW98 was). Lincoln just raised the bar with the Navigator, a far superior product, but couldn't put a dent in Escalade sales.

I love the new Lincoln products but I'm not in the market for any of them. There are millions of potential customers who are not in the market for them. Lincoln can compete with what they have and what they're getting but can Lincoln grow?

So far, the answer is obvious. NO.
10-01-2018 11:07 AM
glyphics
Re: No Love at Ford; No Love at FIN

Lincoln should have more than 6 products. Lincoln has nothing that Ford does not have. You'll say Conti but that's only a Taurus redone.

Sad for what should be a luxury marque.
10-01-2018 10:48 AM
rmc523
Re: No Love at Ford; No Love at FIN

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Lincoln averages maybe one new or heavily refreshed product a year,
try running a Lincoln dealership with that sort of tardy product cadence...


The collapse of Lincoln sales in China is symptomatic of Lincoln's buyers
returning to see basically the same products as they have while competitors
generally have much newer offerings.


Until Lincoln becomes more than a part time project for Ford, it will remain
a curiosity of potentially great products if you could get them new and fresh
and all at the same time...
They have 6 products. They're supposed to have a new one every year? So you'd rather several debut in one year and nothing new for years until the next group comes out? They're getting 2 new models for 2020 in Aviator and Corsair.

Um......Lincoln sales are up 5% for the year in China? Not spectacular, but I'd hardly call that a "collapse".

https://s22.q4cdn.com/857684434/file...ease_final.pdf
10-01-2018 09:12 AM
Logans Run
Re: No Love at Ford; No Love at FIN

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Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
Lincoln averages maybe one new or heavily refreshed product a year,
try running a Lincoln dealership with that sort of tardy product cadence...
That is exactly what Mercury was for!
10-01-2018 08:25 AM
Andrew L
Re: No Love at Ford; No Love at FIN

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Originally Posted by jpd80 View Post
Lincoln averages maybe one new or heavily refreshed product a year,
try running a Lincoln dealership with that sort of tardy product cadence...


The collapse of Lincoln sales in China is symptomatic of Lincoln's buyers
returning to see basically the same products as they have while competitors
generally have much newer offerings.


Until Lincoln becomes more than a part time project for Ford, it will remain
a curiosity of potentially great products if you could get them new and fresh
and all at the same time...

Hey Lincoln in the words of your spokesperson...
10-01-2018 12:52 AM
jpd80
Re: No Love at Ford; No Love at FIN

Lincoln averages maybe one new or heavily refreshed product a year,
try running a Lincoln dealership with that sort of tardy product cadence...


The collapse of Lincoln sales in China is symptomatic of Lincoln's buyers
returning to see basically the same products as they have while competitors
generally have much newer offerings.


Until Lincoln becomes more than a part time project for Ford, it will remain
a curiosity of potentially great products if you could get them new and fresh
and all at the same time...
09-30-2018 11:57 AM
Wfbjr134 We really need a stand alone facility, it helps the brand. I remember the old days of American luxury where you went to Lincoln or Cadillac to see and compare the best.
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