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05-03-2019 05:58 PM
wingsnut
Re: Ford plans new hybrid series to compete with Toyota Prius, report says

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Originally Posted by MKII View Post
1st review of Fords newest Hybrid offering the Mondeo facelift wagon is not very good, not even a 3 star rating
It's so bad that these guys recommend the Corolla wagon hybrid as a better choice. That's what happens when Ford keeps pushing old has been hybrid tech. Crappy powertrain and space stealing tech.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/m...te-2019-review
"newest hybrid offering"


For clarity, this is the tired old hybrid system, nothing new here. I would be shocked if Ford was able to beat newer systems with it.
05-03-2019 11:51 AM
mooseman
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Originally Posted by buzznwood View Post
The only bit that is correct is that Ford needed to have refreshed the PHEV options, with the end of the c-max the current escape / kuga should have got the PHEV option long ago, rather than it coming to the refresh that is to be revealed this week.


As for the model 3 sales in Europe, talk about creative statistics yes the model 3 sold well as a sedan but it has sold less than the total c-class, a4 and 3 series s60/v60 sales because quite frankly sedan purchases are some what of a niche in Europe, people are more inclined to purchase a Hatchback, Estate (wagon) or as it the popular trend a CUV and it has been like that for decades. It is just as bad a sites that use Norway to show high BEV sales where due to ridiculous taxes a BEV is one of the few affordable new car options for most people.
...you might want to recheck your Model 3 numbers. Now that deliveries are ramping, they’re outselling total 60, C, or A4 lines total.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bw1TWPgA...=1r916qi4dmf2m
05-03-2019 09:43 AM
MKII
Re: Ford plans new hybrid series to compete with Toyota Prius, report says

1st review of Fords newest Hybrid offering the Mondeo facelift wagon is not very good, not even a 3 star rating
It's so bad that these guys recommend the Corolla wagon hybrid as a better choice. That's what happens when Ford keeps pushing old has been hybrid tech. Crappy powertrain and space stealing tech.

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/m...te-2019-review
04-01-2019 10:09 PM
wingsnut
Re: Ford plans new hybrid series to compete with Toyota Prius, report says

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Originally Posted by buzznwood View Post
The only bit that is correct is that Ford needed to have refreshed the PHEV options, with the end of the c-max the current escape / kuga should have got the PHEV option long ago, rather than it coming to the refresh that is to be revealed this week.


As for the model 3 sales in Europe, talk about creative statistics yes the model 3 sold well as a sedan but it has sold less than the total c-class, a4 and 3 series s60/v60 sales because quite frankly sedan purchases are some what of a niche in Europe, people are more inclined to purchase a Hatchback, Estate (wagon) or as it the popular trend a CUV and it has been like that for decades. It is just as bad a sites that use Norway to show high BEV sales where due to ridiculous taxes a BEV is one of the few affordable new car options for most people.
Excellent point on the sedan vs hatch sales.

And yes, Ford was wrong to kill the Escape hybrid, although I suspect sales would have been more or less the same in total if offered alongside the C-Max, which shared a platform and had an interior that was nearly impossible to determine which was which. That said, new Escape and Corsair and Explorer and Aviator hybrid and PHEV all launch in the next few months. Soon after that, Mustang hybrid, F-150 hybrid and pretty much hybrid's across the lineup. All as they prepare 16 EV's in the next 3 years. Yeah, Ford's pretty busy.
04-01-2019 06:02 PM
buzznwood
Re: Ford plans new hybrid series to compete with Toyota Prius, report says

The only bit that is correct is that Ford needed to have refreshed the PHEV options, with the end of the c-max the current escape / kuga should have got the PHEV option long ago, rather than it coming to the refresh that is to be revealed this week.


As for the model 3 sales in Europe, talk about creative statistics yes the model 3 sold well as a sedan but it has sold less than the total c-class, a4 and 3 series s60/v60 sales because quite frankly sedan purchases are some what of a niche in Europe, people are more inclined to purchase a Hatchback, Estate (wagon) or as it the popular trend a CUV and it has been like that for decades. It is just as bad a sites that use Norway to show high BEV sales where due to ridiculous taxes a BEV is one of the few affordable new car options for most people.
04-01-2019 11:42 AM
hellb0y
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Originally Posted by Bloggin View Post
It looks like Ford still has not corrected it's slow reaction to global market trends especially as it relates to new energy vehicles. The extremely long development time has Fords new energy offerings arriving as the trend fades into the evolution of that technology. Mild Hybrid technology was a 2015 technology as best, especially for anything not a big SUV/Crossover or truck. Ford knows they are behind but will just launch old tech anyway and blame the consumer or the market for not wanting what Ford offers, instead of Ford offering what the consumer is asking for and buying.

The hybrid and PHEV Focus and Fiesta shoud have launched back in 2012 which was an obvious decision, and Alan Mulally stated it was easily doable...but Ford turned to diesels. And seriously, what took so long to get the 3-cylinder engine pared with a hybrid drivetrain???? But Ford's lack of focus on electricication was evident in the New GT launched in 2016 with ZERO electrification. Their flagship performance sports car tied to old ICE technoloy only. It is clear that Ford won't be part of the future of transportation, but playing it safe in the decline of last gen technology which does not work in a new technology era. Stuck focused on the way it used to be. Those 7 year product cycles are gone, and it's 2-3 years and months with technology.

Just looking at the obvious in Europe. In just over a month of deliveries, Model 3 is the best selling midsize sedan in Europe. This included Germany, the home of BMW and MB and outselling the C-Class and 3-Series. And this is ONLY selling the highest trim levels of the Model 3. Later in the year coms the standard range at about half the price, which is about at the price of the higher trim level ICE Focus, Golf, etc. VW has several models coming agross their many brands, and Ford is still two years out with what they are planning.

All I can say is good luck with mild hybrids in the age of pure electricication, where in Chiina 200+ mile ev midsize sedans will be $20k at the same time.

What nonsense, pretending like Ford is only now keeping up with what was typically a half measure attempt at hybrids, something Ford has mastered quite well. Nice try, troll. There is a clear reason why Ford added micro hybrids to some segments, and you know that reason, but continue to be an idiot about it.

And yes, Tesla is seeing a lot of success selling a product where they currently own the market in Europe. All of which will change very soon with much competition. But success in volume, certainly not in profit. That continues to elude them.
He is actually right...look at Toyota and Honda and the number of hybrids in their line up. Ford was rivalling Toyota in 2012!!!! And now they only have 1 hybrid in production and 2 to go (Explorer and Escape) vs Toyota that has had the Highlander hybrid and RAV4 hybrid for years now!! No wonder Toyota took the Escape out of the top CUV role and the Highlander is about to do the same with the Explorer...

VW is taking a very different approach and going straight to EV - which I am not sure if the best one right now, unless they can keep prices low.
03-31-2019 12:19 PM
wingsnut
Re: Ford plans new hybrid series to compete with Toyota Prius, report says

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Originally Posted by Bloggin View Post
It looks like Ford still has not corrected it's slow reaction to global market trends especially as it relates to new energy vehicles. The extremely long development time has Fords new energy offerings arriving as the trend fades into the evolution of that technology. Mild Hybrid technology was a 2015 technology as best, especially for anything not a big SUV/Crossover or truck. Ford knows they are behind but will just launch old tech anyway and blame the consumer or the market for not wanting what Ford offers, instead of Ford offering what the consumer is asking for and buying.

The hybrid and PHEV Focus and Fiesta shoud have launched back in 2012 which was an obvious decision, and Alan Mulally stated it was easily doable...but Ford turned to diesels. And seriously, what took so long to get the 3-cylinder engine pared with a hybrid drivetrain???? But Ford's lack of focus on electricication was evident in the New GT launched in 2016 with ZERO electrification. Their flagship performance sports car tied to old ICE technoloy only. It is clear that Ford won't be part of the future of transportation, but playing it safe in the decline of last gen technology which does not work in a new technology era. Stuck focused on the way it used to be. Those 7 year product cycles are gone, and it's 2-3 years and months with technology.

Just looking at the obvious in Europe. In just over a month of deliveries, Model 3 is the best selling midsize sedan in Europe. This included Germany, the home of BMW and MB and outselling the C-Class and 3-Series. And this is ONLY selling the highest trim levels of the Model 3. Later in the year coms the standard range at about half the price, which is about at the price of the higher trim level ICE Focus, Golf, etc. VW has several models coming agross their many brands, and Ford is still two years out with what they are planning.

All I can say is good luck with mild hybrids in the age of pure electricication, where in Chiina 200+ mile ev midsize sedans will be $20k at the same time.

What nonsense, pretending like Ford is only now keeping up with what was typically a half measure attempt at hybrids, something Ford has mastered quite well. Nice try, troll. There is a clear reason why Ford added micro hybrids to some segments, and you know that reason, but continue to be an idiot about it.

And yes, Tesla is seeing a lot of success selling a product where they currently own the market in Europe. All of which will change very soon with much competition. But success in volume, certainly not in profit. That continues to elude them.
03-28-2019 11:05 AM
Bloggin
Re: Ford plans new hybrid series to compete with Toyota Prius, report says

It looks like Ford still has not corrected it's slow reaction to global market trends especially as it relates to new energy vehicles. The extremely long development time has Fords new energy offerings arriving as the trend fades into the evolution of that technology. Mild Hybrid technology was a 2015 technology as best, especially for anything not a big SUV/Crossover or truck. Ford knows they are behind but will just launch old tech anyway and blame the consumer or the market for not wanting what Ford offers, instead of Ford offering what the consumer is asking for and buying.

The hybrid and PHEV Focus and Fiesta shoud have launched back in 2012 which was an obvious decision, and Alan Mulally stated it was easily doable...but Ford turned to diesels. And seriously, what took so long to get the 3-cylinder engine pared with a hybrid drivetrain???? But Ford's lack of focus on electricication was evident in the New GT launched in 2016 with ZERO electrification. Their flagship performance sports car tied to old ICE technoloy only. It is clear that Ford won't be part of the future of transportation, but playing it safe in the decline of last gen technology which does not work in a new technology era. Stuck focused on the way it used to be. Those 7 year product cycles are gone, and it's 2-3 years and months with technology.

Just looking at the obvious in Europe. In just over a month of deliveries, Model 3 is the best selling midsize sedan in Europe. This included Germany, the home of BMW and MB and outselling the C-Class and 3-Series. And this is ONLY selling the highest trim levels of the Model 3. Later in the year coms the standard range at about half the price, which is about at the price of the higher trim level ICE Focus, Golf, etc. VW has several models coming agross their many brands, and Ford is still two years out with what they are planning.

All I can say is good luck with mild hybrids in the age of pure electricication, where in Chiina 200+ mile ev midsize sedans will be $20k at the same time.
03-28-2019 05:21 AM
MKII
Re: Ford plans new hybrid series to compete with Toyota Prius, report says

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Originally Posted by wingsnut View Post
Ultra low emissions Do you know the current Focus CO2g/km ratings? , improved performance ??, great fuel economy Compared to which Focus? and no or very small cost increase You have seen pricing?.
Europeans will love this strategy.Which ones, Spanish, Finnish, Belgiums?
Ford EU Tech sheet MK4 Focus 5 door/hatch 1.0 EcoBoost 6-speed manual CO2g/km 107, Fuel consumption l/100 km (mpg) Combined 4.7 (60.1 Imperial gallons) This car is equipped with Low rolling resistance tires.
versus
Focus EcoBoost Hybrid anticipated CO2 emissions from 106 g/km, fuel-efficiency from 4.7 l/100 km. http://www.campaign.ford.com/content...fiesta-an.html

Looks like the anticipated Hybrid CO2 & fuel efficiency ratings are hmmmmmm pretty much the same as the non-Hybrid current MK4. I don't see any numbers that would bring to mind descriptive words such as "Ultra" nor "Great" compared to the current crop of Foci. As far as improved performance this is a wait & see detail, and lets see if "Europeans" will "love" Fords strategy.

Pricing - if comparing how Ford EU prices the Mondeo Hybrid compared to non-Hybrid Mondeo, the Hybrid costs around $3 grand more. Some Europeans will see this as a small increase most likely, some not.
03-27-2019 07:20 PM
wingsnut
Re: Ford plans new hybrid series to compete with Toyota Prius, report says

Ultra low emissions, improved performance, great fuel economy and no or very small cost increase.
Europeans will love this strategy.
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