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04-21-2019 12:56 PM
Phil1336
Re: 2020 Escape

Odd that my 2017 Honda CR-V with a much larger 4 cyl engine then the Match-Box Toy Engine in the Ford EcoSport gets much better fuel economy both City and HW. Say what you want about the negative aspects of CVT, it does achieve excellent FE. Ford needs to remove the "Eco" from its Mini-Cuv immediately. Unless perhaps, they meant "Echo" instead of "Eco"(nomy) or "Eco" (logy) which it does neither.
04-21-2019 12:46 PM
Phil1336
Re: 2020 Escape

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Apples to oranges. Profile has a huge impact on highway FE, as does AWD. Taurus, although bigger, has a lower profile. And I bet it did not have AWD, like the EcoSport, if it was rated at only 26mpg hwy. EcoSport is capable of 29 mpg highway (FWD), you could never get any Taurus to actually get that. Had one, I know. But yes, EcoSport also needs to seriously up the FE ante.
Just for the record, my lovely 2018 Ford ECoSport does (NOT) have AWD. Its a base model SE! Still never achieved anything over 26 mpg highway using a feather foot. No wonder, at 70 mph, the tiny engine is running at 2600 rpm.
04-21-2019 11:16 AM
hellb0y
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Hellboy........I'm calling BS on your 15 mpg in the Escape. We have the same vehicle and typically average 24.6 on a back road commute and weekend errand runs. Other than pulling a 28 foot Grady White I don't know how you could get that kind of mileage. Also, the last Rav4 maxed at 30 mpg non hybrid......just 2 years ago........with way less horsepower. I'm sure the new Escape will be very competitive......still with considerably more horsepower.
I am hardly an anomaly....Fuelly:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/escap...neconfig_id=13

The average mpg for the Escape is 21mpg, so consider yourself lucky that you can beat the 23mpg EPA for this engine.

Agreed the previous RAV4 was a total different ball game, but still had some really good mpgs...just look at the average - 28mpg:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/rav4/2016
A 2017 Rav4 has a combined 24 mpg with 176hp/172 tq......I'll take 1 mpg less for 245/270. Also on the fuelly.com, a bunch of the Rav4's were hybrids that figured in the average.

I'm not surprised we beat the avg a little with our Escape......really very little city driving.
It’s actually 25mpg...and yep, Toyota’s selling mix is about 50% hybrids / 50% ICE - the hybrids are priced very smartly...

And there you have it...very little city driving - my drive is 80% city...add in some cold weather and the Escape drinks as much as my buddy’s truck - F150 2.7T
04-21-2019 04:50 AM
jpd80
Re: 2020 Escape

2020 Escape is around 200 lbs lighter, the 2.0 EB gets 8-speed auto and there's a new 2.5 hybrid coming.


Not surprising to hear that some EBs don't give as good a fuel economy as others,
I've long suspected that there's some variability with FE that can't be explained away as just the driver
04-20-2019 11:12 PM
wingsnut
Re: 2020 Escape

I too call BS on 15 mpg. Our Escape had the 2.0L and AWD and I even had the mild trailer tow package because I needed to tow on occasion. I would have to drive that thing pretty hard to get it below 20mpg, but I averaged mid 21-22 normally. The 1.5L was far more FE. New Escape will be about even with Rav 4 and hybrid version is supposed to be superior.
04-20-2019 10:39 PM
70 Stang
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Hellboy........I'm calling BS on your 15 mpg in the Escape. We have the same vehicle and typically average 24.6 on a back road commute and weekend errand runs. Other than pulling a 28 foot Grady White I don't know how you could get that kind of mileage. Also, the last Rav4 maxed at 30 mpg non hybrid......just 2 years ago........with way less horsepower. I'm sure the new Escape will be very competitive......still with considerably more horsepower.
I am hardly an anomaly....Fuelly:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/escap...neconfig_id=13

The average mpg for the Escape is 21mpg, so consider yourself lucky that you can beat the 23mpg EPA for this engine.

Agreed the previous RAV4 was a total different ball game, but still had some really good mpgs...just look at the average - 28mpg:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/rav4/2016
A 2017 Rav4 has a combined 24 mpg with 176hp/172 tq......I'll take 1 mpg less for 245/270. Also on the fuelly.com, a bunch of the Rav4's were hybrids that figured in the average.

I'm not surprised we beat the avg a little with our Escape......really very little city driving.
04-20-2019 10:14 PM
mooseman
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Originally Posted by 70 Stang View Post
Hellboy........I'm calling BS on your 15 mpg in the Escape. We have the same vehicle and typically average 24.6 on a back road commute and weekend errand runs. Other than pulling a 28 foot Grady White I don't know how you could get that kind of mileage. Also, the last Rav4 maxed at 30 mpg non hybrid......just 2 years ago........with way less horsepower. I'm sure the new Escape will be very competitive......still with considerably more horsepower.
I am hardly an anomaly....Fuelly:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/escap...neconfig_id=13

The average mpg for the Escape is 21mpg, so consider yourself lucky that you can beat the 23mpg EPA for this engine.

Agreed the previous RAV4 was a total different ball game, but still had some really good mpgs...just look at the average - 28mpg:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/rav4/2016
...sorry, man, I don’t buy the 15 either. ****, my Hemi avg’d 15 and I drove it like an *******. Did you drive around with the parking brake on?
04-20-2019 09:46 PM
hellb0y
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Originally Posted by 70 Stang View Post
Hellboy........I'm calling BS on your 15 mpg in the Escape. We have the same vehicle and typically average 24.6 on a back road commute and weekend errand runs. Other than pulling a 28 foot Grady White I don't know how you could get that kind of mileage. Also, the last Rav4 maxed at 30 mpg non hybrid......just 2 years ago........with way less horsepower. I'm sure the new Escape will be very competitive......still with considerably more horsepower.
I am hardly an anomaly....Fuelly:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/escap...neconfig_id=13

The average mpg for the Escape is 21mpg, so consider yourself lucky that you can beat the 23mpg EPA for this engine.

Agreed the previous RAV4 was a total different ball game, but still had some really good mpgs...just look at the average - 28mpg:
http://www.fuelly.com/car/toyota/rav4/2016
04-20-2019 08:02 PM
70 Stang Hellboy........I'm calling BS on your 15 mpg in the Escape. We have the same vehicle and typically average 24.6 on a back road commute and weekend errand runs. Other than pulling a 28 foot Grady White I don't know how you could get that kind of mileage. Also, the last Rav4 maxed at 30 mpg non hybrid......just 2 years ago........with way less horsepower. I'm sure the new Escape will be very competitive......still with considerably more horsepower.
04-19-2019 07:32 PM
hellb0y
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Let's see, I stated that new Escape needs to close the mpg gap with Rav4 ( 30 mpg vs 35 mpg).

You then ask what world do I live in, then show a pic of an AWD Escape, rated at 29mpg. Yeah, no cherry picking there.

I then prove how Escape max mpg is in fact 30mpg.....and you then deflect and accuse me of cherry picking, and boldly state how Ford needs to up their ante on FE.


LMAO

This is why you are Captain Troll.
So you think Ford needs to ante up on their FI? Seriously, I own a 2018 Ford EcoSport with the 1 ltr 3 cyl engine.
How does 23 MPG City and 26 MPG Highway sound? I rented recently a 2018 Ford Taurus all tricked out with its largest V6 EcoBoost Engine and it got much better FI then my EcoBox! Should have left this joke in India where it belongs along with other 3rd World Counties.
Phil you should look into the new RAV4...mpgs are freaking amazing!

I just got rid of my 17 Escape Titanium because I was getting 15mpg in my commute - like I just bought a new car today!
The Escape was likely my last Ford...my dealership (in Canada) is asking $63k for an Explorer hybrid, so I LOL and bought a luxury brand for this first time ever.
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