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Gas is now just a few pennies over $2
Deisel is selling at over 70 cents more per gallon here. That would seem to negate any mpg cost advantage.
My Fiat averages about 140mpge. 33.6kw would cost me a little over $3. You'd have to drive a car getting 90mpg to compete. I know of one...and amazingly I saw one on the road in my hometown over the holidays. Probably one of the rarest cars I'll ever see.


 

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...hopefully they also won't know 40,000 people dying a year in automobiles. EVs are part of that future. People become worse, more distracted drivers every year. Just came back from a 600+ mi trip yesterday, and people are just oblivious. However, used EVs are everywhere because some states mandated them and thus essentially they were given away. 500es are all over Cargurus. 253 listed right now for retardly cheap. Probably could get one with 18-24k miles for $6.5k right now (they're listing higher, but they were going for $4.5k at auction).


Last, it will take decades for ICE to disappear, but it will only take mass availability of EVs for preference to change. They're just better to drive.

EV's will not assist in any way, becoming less distracted. I assume you were not clear with your remarks. And if you were, I would love to understand your thinking there.

As for EV's being better to drive, umm yeah, that is your opinion. Thanks for it.
 

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EV's will not assist in any way, becoming less distracted. I assume you were not clear with your remarks. And if you were, I would love to understand your thinking there.

As for EV's being better to drive, umm yeah, that is your opinion. Thanks for it.
Educated opinion, unlike yours. Weigh accordingly.
 

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Gas is now just a few pennies over $2
Deisel is selling at over 70 cents more per gallon here. That would seem to negate any mpg cost advantage.
Just paid $1.82 a gallon with a store loyalty 20 cent discount!
 

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Just paid $1.82 a gallon with a store loyalty 20 cent discount!
Wow. I just paid $1.89 and thought I was doing good.

I wonder how much lower it can get. I also wonder what will happen to hybrid and BEV sales. Tesla customers prob would not care even if gas was given away, because they are now loyal customers committed to their lifestyle, while also believing they are not emitting any emissions. It's a strange new world.
 

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BINGO.
If you punish users of fossil fuels through taxation and higher product costs because technology is not ready for large scale usage, you have Paris riots on your hand. The changes to cleaner energy are coming, and have been coming for decades. I am all for the migration away from fossil fuels, but I am totally against the fake alarmist manufactured drama that if we don’t change now, we are doomed in the future. Complete nonsense. If you believe the threat through questionable math models, that a 2 deg increase in global temps is at risk in 80 years dramatically altering our way of life, while ignoring the fact that our planet has already had a similar increase in the past – you are an unrealistic alarmist. Never mind the fact that nobody can prove or disprove it is our doing in the first place, which then again raises the question of how then did it already happen 50K years ago?
What part of the science don't you understand?

a 2-degree Celsius increase in temperature is not a good thing.

 

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Oh look, a fancy big chart. It can't possibly be wrong because somebody took the time to make it and weather patterns are so predictable over an 80 year period. There is also the fact that there was a 2 degree temp increase in the past that we can draw data from, although that was about 50K years ago. And the world survived. And it was certainly not caused by fossil fuels. And of course we know with complete certainty that any recorded change in the last few years, no matter how small or how questionable the math models used are, must be taken as gospel that it is only caused by man, and we must all over-react now. Brilliant.


Well, under Trump, we are doing just that all while becoming the worlds largest energy exporter together with the worlds best economy.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/u-s-achieves-largest-decrease-in-carbon-emissionswithout-the-paris-climate-accord/?fbclid=IwAR3-mxI2wAqkTyv1VmwPNtRhKr-JMPZHO4v7ZiwWO3A1Bj5YB_e-21pscDI
 

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Oh look, a fancy big chart. It can't possibly be wrong because somebody took the time to make it and weather patterns are so predictable over an 80 year period. There is also the fact that there was a 2 degree temp increase in the past that we can draw data from, although that was about 50K years ago. And the world survived. And it was certainly not caused by fossil fuels. And of course we know with complete certainty that any recorded change in the last few years, no matter how small or how questionable the math models used are, must be taken as gospel that it is only caused by man, and we must all over-react now. Brilliant.


Well, under Trump, we are doing just that all while becoming the worlds largest energy exporter together with the worlds best economy.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/u-s-achieves-largest-decrease-in-carbon-emissionswithout-the-paris-climate-accord/?fbclid=IwAR3-mxI2wAqkTyv1VmwPNtRhKr-JMPZHO4v7ZiwWO3A1Bj5YB_e-21pscDI
I find the large graphic more believable than drawing false conclusions by looking at the cars in my driveway.

98.5% of climate scientists are in agreement on Climate change. It should come as no surprise that a person who judges the viability of a technology based upon the 4 cars they have in THEIR driveway, as True believer in the 1.5%

Ironically the decrease in GHG was entirely due to reductions in Coal consumption.......... to produce electricity.

The IRONY of the title of your thread shouldn't be missed by anyone.

:grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2:
 

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I find the large graphic more believable than drawing false conclusions by looking at the cars in my driveway.

98.5% of climate scientists are in agreement on Climate change. It should come as no surprise that a person who judges the viability of a technology based upon the 4 cars they have in THEIR driveway, as True believer in the 1.5%

Ironically the decrease in GHG was entirely due to reductions in Coal consumption.......... to produce electricity.

The IRONY of the title of your thread shouldn't be missed by anyone.

:grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2:
I made a casual remark about how I see many driveways with up to 4 cars and the logistics of having to charge all those in relation to how switching to EV will not be so quick and easy......and that fueled your rant?

LOL

I really don't know what you are debating here, so I will throw in the towel.
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I find the large graphic more believable than drawing false conclusions by looking at the cars in my driveway.

98.5% of climate scientists are in agreement on Climate change. It should come as no surprise that a person who judges the viability of a technology based upon the 4 cars they have in THEIR driveway, as True believer in the 1.5%

Ironically the decrease in GHG was entirely due to reductions in Coal consumption.......... to produce electricity.

The IRONY of the title of your thread shouldn't be missed by anyone.

:grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2::grin2:
I really wish they would pick a percentage and stick with it! ;)

The biggest problem they have is that climate scientists have been correct in 0% of their predictions. Given the 20 plus year record of failure and how political it's become, the scepticism should be no surprise.
 

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I really wish they would pick a percentage and stick with it! ;)

The biggest problem they have is that climate scientists have been correct in 0% of their predictions. Given the 20 plus year record of failure and how political it's become, the scepticism should be no surprise.
...20 years? Pffff. Try 60 years. They started this anti-capitalist **** starting even before Ehrlich's Population Bomb scare tactics. Planned Parenthood is part and parcel of that whole movement, and there are even people who support/belong to the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement. Global Warming is just another spoke on the Marxist wheel. If you can't explain the pause, you can't explain the cause.
 

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just wait and see.
I have been waiting my whole life for politically motivated threats to come to fruition.

In the 70's we were told we would run out of gas in 20 years
In the 80's we were told the world would freeze in 20 years because of the United States use of fossil fuels
In the 90's we were told the world would burn in 20 years for same reason
Now they have been calling it climate change, blaming every hurricane and natural disaster on it (brilliant) and moved the end of days date out to 50-100 years, because they know they won't be around to be criticized.

Nobody denies climates change, they have been doing so since the birth of Earth. What logical minds have concluded, is that rushing to judgement on data from wildly inaccurate math models that are also carelessly filled with assumptions as to the human impact......is foolish.

I suggest that America continues to produce energy that builds our economic and safety strengths, so that we can continue (not start) to develop next gen energy systems that don't violate the laws of physics and are sustainable, while not devastating people and industries so radically as we have heard in the Green Deal. What a gem that is.
 

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Some people look back and say that what is should be. Some people look forward and say that what's coming should be prepared for.

We didn't stop using wood for fuel because we ran out of trees.
 
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