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Noting that this list does not include a model 'refresh', the new C-Max pushed out to 2019 would indicate that the US should get the current Europe refresh, maybe not for MY2016 but for MY2017 at the latest.

Better aerodynamics and the new EcoSelect options should allow the hybrid to operate at it most efficient mode.

Which would mean we should see a refreshed 2017 Fusion Hybrid/Energi along with a refreshed 2017 C-Max Hybrid/Energi.
 

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I didn't see a replacement for the Flex on the list, but then again the replacement for the Explorer is not until 2019. Explorer riding on that platform just got a refresh for 2016, Flex had a refresh back in 2013, which means it, just like the Explorer, could be due for another major refresh, riding out the platform that continues on until 2019 or so when it's renewed.

Remember: Flex is a high profit $40k+ model for Ford, thats just 380 units from outselling the MKC YTD. Flex, with a loyal customer base, is also the #2 selling 7-passenger SUV in the largest market in the US....CA. Which would mean a MY2017 refresh is on the way. And would look at the Explorer refresh to see what should be coming to the Flex.
It is common knowledge that the Flex will not be replaced.
 

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It is common knowledge that the Flex will not be replaced.
Not replaced at this time, but maybe another refresh.

So far what's on the 'common knowledge' extinction list....

- Taurus which leaves Ford with no large car, and deletes the MKS and Police Interceptor sedan which pushes Ford out of the police sedan business.

- Flex(#2 best seller in CA) which deletes the MKT and pushes Ford out of a large segment of the Livery business.

While the Explorer has a scheduled replacement set for MY2019.

Something just does not seam right about Ford deleting 5 vehicles.
 

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Ford's not dropping 5 products. Continental will replace MKS, and a future Explorer based Lincoln product will replace MKT. The Police Interceptor can continue through most of the end of the decade with the D3/4 Explorer.

Only Taurus and Flex are questionable. The Flex is my favorite Ford product. Ford ought to sell at least 100,000 of them, and I think the Flex is far superior to the Explorer. But the car has been a flop. Ford has dropped all kinds of flops in the past with no immediate direct replacement.

As far as the Taurus goes, I can't see full size cars surviving with sales dropping and CAFE increasing, unless powered by a 4 cylinder and hybrid, and I don't know if customers will pay the high price.
 

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Well this list is bogus, we cold put together a more accurate list. It also says nothing about new segments which Ford is likely to enter by the end of the decade, specifically the subcompact Crossover. Ford has long been rumored to be working on a proper hybrid this decade which will replace C-Max, I have a VERY hard time believing they will continue to bolt batteries into the Focus or C-Max and call it a day into the next decade. I'm sure a bunch of C2 cars will be placed on the new platform around 2019/2020, including C-Max, Escape, and Focus, along with a new Hybrid which won't be called C-Max.

I'm curious on the phase out of Flex, Taurus, and MKT and when that will happen. MKT and Flex are in Oakville and with such low volume they can probably continue building them for a few more years until D3/D4 is phased out in Chicago for the next gen Explorer. The same goes for Taurus. I imagine they want all D3/D4 are and their parts gone by end of 2017, but that's still quite a few years.
 

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just in case anyone else didn't look at anything but FoMoCo (like me)...






didn't do/compress All of them...wasn't sure they'd be legible

Looks like, by # of new models,
FoMoCo, FCA, & Yurps have a scant 2016 (all = ModelYears, right?)
Thugota's meager for 2017
GM has few for 2018
Honda skips 2019
tho
as we know, these don't include everything esp. MCEs



find the very last datum interesting, by 2019est.,
the number of models on sale in the U.S will have climbed to 283!
 

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Why is Ford dropping the Focus hatch again? To my eyes the small sedans typically look terrible, the hatch is always the better looking version. I rarely ever see a Focus sedan either, I don't get it.
 

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Why is Ford dropping the Focus hatch again? To my eyes the small sedans typically look terrible, the hatch is always the better looking version. I rarely ever see a Focus sedan either, I don't get it.
are you just-referring to it not being in this chart for 2018, SP?


as I said I kinda gloss over omissions
but
with your pointing it out,
I'm wondering (still/yet/again/as usual) about the A.M.P program
which could have different timing
as well as being tippy-Top-Secret


then again,
ALL my Mission2020 Mercurys have hatches

 

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Why is Ford dropping the Focus hatch again? To my eyes the small sedans typically look terrible, the hatch is always the better looking version. I rarely ever see a Focus sedan either, I don't get it.
I wonder if Ford is going the same route as Toyota, with just a new larger Focus sedan like the Corolla sedan....for the US. While the US will still get the Focus ST and RS in hatch form.
 

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With regard to Focus hatch likely leaving the US, it makes sense with the pending availability of subcompact SUVs (although it looks like Ford will be the last to enter this market). Americans just hate hatchbacks, even if it's the best format for this type of compact platform. It's a little ironic considering everybody is basically moving to a hatchback (two-box) crossover anyway.
 

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With regard to Focus hatch likely leaving the US, it makes sense with the pending availability of subcompact SUVs (although it looks like Ford will be the last to enter this market). Americans just hate hatchbacks, even if it's the best format for this type of compact platform. It's a little ironic considering everybody is basically moving to a hatchback (two-box) crossover anyway.
Without the Focus Hatch in the US at least, the Focus ST and RS will stand out more.
 

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Without the Focus Hatch in the US at least, the Focus ST and RS will stand out more.
this might be a bit convoluted :angel but

if we apply the rumored flexibility of the D6/CD6 to whatever platform/architecture will be used for the C (+ whatever) segment(s);
thinking maaaaybe there could be more niche-let cars?
ex:
the Focus ST & RS could have a more unique & swoopier body with a wheelbase different from the Focus sedan (which has been rumored/speculated to become longer)
only problem
What about Yurpland?
some parts of it buy MOSTLY hatches
(the parts that buy wagons would/could still be based on the new sedan...
...OR whichEVER? sedan or hatch??)
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wondering if eventually the humongous volume of China could make More variety profitable?
 

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Merrill Lynch's "Car Wars" Lincoln Predictions

* Ford’s cadence is better than it looks, Murphy says, because its high-volume aluminum F-150 launched before the 2016 “Car Wars” parameter. The report forecasts the new Lincoln Continental and a new Lincoln MKM coupe for MY17. A new Ford Escape, Fiesta, and Focus are due in MY18, along with the Lincoln MKA sedan. A Lincoln Aviator “large lux CUV” is expected in MY19.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/columns/1506-merrill-lynchs-car-wars-predicts-sales-of-20-million-in-2018/

Thoughts?

-The Continental is obviously a go for MY 2017.

-The Aviator is obviously a go, but many people are expecting a 2018 MY.

-This is the first that I've heard about an MKM (AKA LincStang) in a serious report. I guess it's possible, but Ford would have to be "GT-ing" it.

-An MKA small sedan is a safe bet.

-Oddly, they forgot the Navigator (which is expected to debut next year).
 

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I don't believe for a second that Ford North America would drop the 5-door Focus. I seem to remember seeing a breakdown in bodystyles and I thought at least 40% of Focuses were 5-doors, and that number seems about right, especially amongst retail sales. Setting raw sales percentages aside, the majority of Titanium models I see are 5-doors, and are thus profitable for the company.

My guess is this report either forgot about the 5-door Focus or just is inconsistently equating "sedan" with "car."
 

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*bump* for Pete's latest rant



BREAKING AWAY
The Autoextremist - Rants

By Peter M. De Lorenzo - Monday, October 10, 2016


Detroit. That the winds of change are blowing through this business like the chill of an early fall is no revelation. Some of these winds are dark, brooding and foreboding; others are merely progressions marked by the natural cadence of time.

The business is deep in the throes of a “Je ne sais quoi" moment. The month-to-month sales prognosticators have weighed in because that’s what they’re paid to do, but do they really know what is going to happen in 2017? No. I am quite certain of one thing, however - we’ve reached the cannibalism stage in this current car market. From here on out we will see the major auto manufacturers cram more and more of every incentive imaginable on their cars and trucks to maintain market share, while hopefully taking market share away from their competitors. As you might imagine, it’s going to get ugly before it stops, and the victories will be Pyrrhic, at best.

And while that dance of impending slowness is playing out, we have a mountain of questions to consider that will impact this business for the next 25 years. Defining moments – and technologies - that will transform the industry...

...And then there’s the Lincoln vs. Cadillac battle that’s shaping up right now before our very eyes. Cadillac is being reimagined in the likeness of Audi by longtime U.S. Audi guru Johan de Nysschen, right down to the generic and colorless alphanumeric nomenclature that stands for exactly nothing (except for the Escalade, of course). Take that, combined with an excruciatingly painful advertising campaign that has become so gratingly offensive over time that it’s turning consumers off in droves, and you have an American car company – albeit with some decently executed products - aspiring to be a force in the luxury market but with apparently no frickin’ idea how to effectively market.

On the other side you have Lincoln, which has worn out Matthew McConaughey’s sell-by date quite a while ago but which now has its new Continental coming on line. As I’ve said before, even though the Continental doesn’t boast the technical chops that the Cadillac CT6 has, it has the one thing that Cadillac doesn’t, and that’s a name that resonates across a wide spectrum of consumers. And given that Lincoln’s brain trust has demonstrated marketing and advertising instincts (except for staying with McConaughey too long) that are head and shoulders above the best that Cadillac can muster, don’t be surprised if the Continental emerges as the clear winner in this face-off. The Lincoln marketing troops have already unveiled a presentation that’s far superior to anything Cadillac has done to date with it’s initial foray for the Continental engaging the visual creativity of Annie Leibovitz in That’s Continental.

But then again, does all of this really matter in the Big Picture? Not as much as it once did, that’s for sure. In the American market we’re talking bragging rights only, as it’s clear that the fortunes of both Cadillac and Lincoln will ultimately reside in the Chinese market. But there still is a certain image aura available to Lincoln and Cadillac here. It might be an aura that’s marked by fading light, as the Asian theater swallows everything whole, but it’s a distinctive aura nonetheless. And a very American aura too. And right now Lincoln – or the Lincoln Motor Company as it wants to be known – is definitely showing its taillights to Cadillac in terms of this whole image-wrangling thing.

And let’s forget about the trepidation and hand-wringing associated with the autonomous car movement for the time being...

...We’re on the precipice of a fundamental shift.

The automotive “thing” is breaking away from what has been familiar for more than 125 years...

...it’s going to be jarring and disruptive to a lot of people.

Yes, we will have cars with internal combustion engines for many, many years to come,

but the mainstream car business, as we know it, is breaking away for good...
More & more!...
hey, this
is PdL after all... :angel
 

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the War *ON* Cars

German Lawmakers Vote To Ban Petrol And Diesel Cars By 2030
It could lead to an EU-wide ban on combustion-engine cars.

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Oscar Williams, Tech reporter | 11/10/2016 16:32 | Updated 14 hours ago


German politicians have voted to ban combustion-engine cars by 2030 in an effort to meet emissions targets outlined in the Paris agreement.

The Bundesrat, the federal council of all 16 German states, has passed a resolution to only permit zero-emission vehicles on EU roads.

The EU will need to adopt the resolution for it to come into effect in 14 years, but Forbes reports that German regulation traditionally shapes European law.

Green party lawmaker Oliver Krischer told Der Spiegel: “If the Paris agreement to curb climate-warming emissions is to be taken seriously, no new combustion engine cars should be allowed on roads after 2030.”

The weekly magazine reports that the resolution calls on the EU Commission to “review the current practices of taxation and dues with regard to a stimulation of emission-free mobility.”
Alexander Hassenstein via Getty Images

The German car industry, which invented the internal combustion engine, is the fourth largest in the world and is one of the biggest contributors to the German economy.

Reuters reports that a switch to sales of zero-emission cars would put thousands of jobs at risk as electric car manufacturing requires a tenth of the staff needed to build combustion-engine cars.

In June, Norwegian politicians paved the way for an electric-only future by voting to ban all petrol and diesel powered cars by 2025.
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