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Since I only had the Navigator for a few days this will be a very short review. It was a black on black SWB Navigator base model with RWD. Only option as far as I could tell was the sunroof. Even then it was still loaded. Heated/Cooled front seats, memory seats, Navigation, power tilt and telescope steering wheel, remote start, Lincoln welcome mat, power folding mirrors, tri zone climate, power folding 3rd row, power running boards, rain sensing wipers, HID headlamps with adaptive turning etc. I cannot stress enough how much fun the EB V6 motor was. Sure it’s no V8 but the power was almost instant and it was almost scary how fast it accelerated. I have never driving a large vehicle that could accelerate as quickly as this Navigator could. But then again I have never driven an Escalade either only rode in several.
There was definitely this fun factor with it though steering that was very lose and had almost no feedback, lots of power, and a long hood. This is probably Lincoln’s only model in the lineup that represents the old land yachts that they made their name on. Of course I had to take some co-workers out for lunch with it and they all loved it especially the Lincoln welcome mat and power running boards. They loved how the 3rd row even had room and it was still the SWB model. Backing into my spot wasn’t too bad but it certainly took a lot of wheel spinning to center on the parking spot, thank God for power steering! Before taking this vehicle as my loaner I would say I could never own a vehicle like a Navigator or Escalade but after just one day I am starting to get it. The high seating position, gobs of power, people moving out of the way for you, celebrity like appearance when arriving anywhere.
Likes:
EB Motor has lots of power and delivers almost instantly
6 speed auto had very quick shifts and was always in the right gear
Lots of room overall and 3rd row was still usable even in SWB model
Lots of standard features on base model
THX sound system is simply amazing

Neutral:
Styling is pretty ‘meh’ on the front end I don’t think the split grill works on such a large vehicle
LED tail lamps are nice but would like a smoother look like the MKX instead of the little ‘beads’
Interior materials were great in some spots like the arm rest and window sill but meh in other areas like around the glove box. Wood trim was very nice and is real but also looks real.

Dislikes:
Shifter is large and heavy, fine for a mainstream pickup or SUV but for a luxury one it needs the push buttons
No footrest left of the pedals, felt weird that I had nowhere to rest my foot even our old Ford E150 conversion van had one.
Door locks were from the 90s and looked out of place

Other thoughts:
The radio station was preset to old school rap I never touched it, seemed fitting
Totally shocked I managed to fit it in my garage overnight with absolutely 0 room for error!











Also I apologize I didn’t get more and better pictures I sadly didn’t have time
 

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how is tbe ride on it compared to the vehickes you are used to?
Extremely smooth I was able to 'glide' over the speed bumps at my office parking lot.
 

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Thanks for the review! Good to hear that such an old vehicle still is nice and still has redeeming qualities.....the refresh certainly helped in that regard.

I'm definitely excited to see the production 2018 model to see how much of a leap it will be.
 

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Thanks for the review! Good to hear that such an old vehicle still is nice and still has redeeming qualities.....the refresh certainly helped in that regard.

I'm definitely excited to see the production 2018 model to see how much of a leap it will be.
The refresh did help a lot and now I see why the price was bumped up so much because a ton is standard now. That being said a lot of work still needs to be done like the interior materials and a lot of lacking features like 360 cam, 2nd row cooled seats, 2nd row fridge, self parking, radar cruise, pano roof, all things that are on the MKT. I think the new Navi will address these things personally and I am curious how GM will counter it.
 

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The refresh did help a lot and now I see why the price was bumped up so much because a ton is standard now. That being said a lot of work still needs to be done like the interior materials and a lot of lacking features like 360 cam, 2nd row cooled seats, 2nd row fridge, self parking, radar cruise, pano roof, all things that are on the MKT. I think the new Navi will address these things personally and I am curious how GM will counter it.
Yeah, with Expedition having everything you mentioned there, it will obviously all be on the Navigator.
 

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I've often wondered how many people buy SUVs without checking to see if it will fit in their garage ... LOL!

Nice write-up review, Andrew. I'm glad to see that you seemed to enjoy this overall, even if it isn't what you'd actually buy. I, too, don't think I'd ever be able to buy such a huge SUV, but I'm glad to know the option is there, should my beloved sedans need a replacement. ;)

I don't think I've ever liked the Navigator grill, this edition especially. I agree it doesn't work. Tho, I'm not really sure what WOULD....

My initial reaction when I read your note about the lack of foot rest: how could it NOT have that? Not like it doesn't have the space for it! I always thought that was "standard"......lol.


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I've often wondered how many people buy SUVs without checking to see if it will fit in their garage ... LOL!

Nice write-up review, Andrew. I'm glad to see that you seemed to enjoy this overall, even if it isn't what you'd actually buy. I, too, don't think I'd ever be able to buy such a huge SUV, but I'm glad to know the option is there, should my beloved sedans need a replacement. ;)

I don't think I've ever liked the Navigator grill, this edition especially. I agree it doesn't work. Tho, I'm not really sure what WOULD....

My initial reaction when I read your note about the lack of foot rest: how could it NOT have that? Not like it doesn't have the space for it! I always thought that was "standard"......lol.


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Yea every vehicle I have driven has had a foot rest on the left side which really threw me off. I guess if you want to stretch your legs there's plenty of room! lol
 

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all he features mentioned that the 17 is lacking should be incuded on the 18 mode. going off the 18 expy, fordis actually including a footrest for the driver now.
 

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My initial reaction when I read your note about the lack of foot rest: how could it NOT have that? Not like it doesn't have the space for it! I always thought that was "standard"......lol.
Not that it's a good reason, but it's mostly because the core vehicle dates back to 2003, when footrests weren't as common (at least in trucks).
 

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Not that it's a good reason, but it's mostly because the core vehicle dates back to 2003, when footrests weren't as common (at least in trucks).
To play devil's advocate our 1994 Econoline had one :angel
 

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I guess it's worth noting that higher trim models get a leather stitched dash while the base model what I had, has a vinyl dash which is totally insane to me. They ALL should have the leather dash.

 

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its crazy how theres a good amount of european mid sized trucks that can be optioned up past 100k, like wat makes them 100k when they start at 50k. I noticed that one day when i took my truck to the shop that the current navis have different dashboards as materials go. i guess its to justify payin 77k over 67k
 

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The next Navigator will almost certainly break $100K. The Continental is already near $80K.

The current Navigator is surprisingly attractive on the road, I think it's those sharply creases lines and smooth seamless finishes that help to keep it modern. The interior is pretty awful, nothing dates it more than what's went on in there 10+ years ago and even then it looked terrible. But despite the neglect and terrible design choices, it has some substantive advantages over the much better looking Escalade.
 

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The Navigator simply feels old, and undesirable currently. The LX570, QX, and Navigator all have on paper advantages over the Escalade but the Escalade is in many ways simply more desirable, and that is reflected in the sales numbers.
 

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The next Navigator will almost certainly break $100K. The Continental is already near $80K.

The current Navigator is surprisingly attractive on the road, I think it's those sharply creases lines and smooth seamless finishes that help to keep it modern. The interior is pretty awful, nothing dates it more than what's went on in there 10+ years ago and even then it looked terrible. But despite the neglect and terrible design choices, it has some substantive advantages over the much better looking Escalade.
Before I said no way so I was curious and I stick to that

LX 89,380-93,720
QX80 63,850-92,258
Navigator 63,515-83,074
Escalade 73,395-102,925

Escalade is the only one to demand over 100k maxed out. Navigator has a ways to go before it can demand that.
 

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The next Navigator will almost certainly break $100K. The Continental is already near $80K.

The current Navigator is surprisingly attractive on the road, I think it's those sharply creases lines and smooth seamless finishes that help to keep it modern. The interior is pretty awful, nothing dates it more than what's went on in there 10+ years ago and even then it looked terrible. But despite the neglect and terrible design choices, it has some substantive advantages over the much better looking Escalade.
I too catch myself admiring the style still, after all these years. And although the interior style is too familiar and truck-ish for some, it is quite roomy, luxurious and quiet.

But yeah, $100K will happen real easy in a high trim extended length model.
And considering how well the current model compares to the the competition, the new one should be substantially better. Class leading is my guess.
 

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Before I said no way so I was curious and I stick to that...

think I'll wait/withhold judgements for 2 weeks :joyous:...
otoh
I hope the Navi's base/bait'n'switch price does NOT go up much
:angel

furthermore...
I compared GM's big suvs to an Expedition at our last dealer-run autoshowlet
the GM's are GARBAGE except for the front seats
and imho that ^^^ is being polite
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The Navigator unfortunately is seen as a distant 3rd or 4th in its class. It simply does not have the nameplate or brand image that even the late bloomer Infiniti has. So Lincoln truly needs to pull out all the stops in order to regain parity in the class it created. Also all players in this class will move upmarket as the Bentayga, Urus, Levante, and Cullinan begin to gain traction in the rarified air SUV classes.


Given excellence in this generation there is no reason that an individual airplane rear seat LWB Cartier edition Navigator won't be able to move significantly upmarket yet still undercut tangential competitors like the current $200k Range Rover Autobiography LWB.
 
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