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2018 Ford Focus Will Have Coupe, Hybrid and Offroad Versions - AutoEvolution
by Mihnea Radu
6th February 2015


The battle over the compact segment is going to heat up pretty soon...
...so where does that leave Ford and its Focus?

According to the Germans at Autobild, a new Focus model is being designed as we speak and will most likely arrive in 2018. It will be a global "One Ford" car and should be based on one of the new platforms expected to be shared with the Kuga and other compacts. It's one of only 8 that Ford plans to have by the end of the decade.

The range of models will be much more complex than it is now and will apparently include a two-door coupe for the first time. Ford used to offer the Focus as a CC model with a folding metal roof, but this new one is going to be a bit like the VW Scirocco and Audi TT, a FWD sportscar. The last time Ford did that, it was called a Puma (based on the Fiesta) and everybody loved it!

Another planned version is a rival for the VW Golf Alltrack and the Octavia Scout. It will be marketed under the X-Road name and might even make it to the US as a Volvo rival. Even regular Focus models will be available with all-wheel drive to rival the Golf.

Ford is also planning a new Focus Electric with a bigger battery pack and a Prius-fighting hybrid, which will apparently use a 3-cylinder engine with 150 horsepower and an electric engine, which frankly sounds like a Golf GTE rival, not a Prius.

Weight losses are also planned, though Autobild reports they won't be more than 50 kilograms (110 lbs), which is kind of disappointing when you consider how far behind the game the Focus is compared to the Peugeot 308.
 

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:Ford is also planning a new Focus Electric with a bigger battery pack and a Prius-fighting hybrid, which will apparently use a 3-cylinder engine with 150 horsepower and an electric (motor), which frankly sounds like a Golf GTE rival, not a Prius."

EB-Hybrid!!
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this sounds like it'll be used for "A.M.P." too
 

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Seems like a pile of speculation based upon obvious product cycles and Volkswagen (a German-centric perspective apparently).

A 2-door Focus coupe or convertible at a time when their popularity continues to shrink is also a little dubious.

Ford probably doesn't need a Focus all-track when they have a bevy of purpose-built Crossovers (and presuming better ones to come with a next-gen Eco-Sport/B-Max).
 

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What the...?

That seems like an awfully large Focus range. I guess they can drop them if they don't do well.
I've been thinking/saying that, with platform reductions, EVERY car/cuv smaller than D6/CD6 might be on (basically) One platform (or architecture)
(( except entry-leftovers: Escort & whatever ))


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I always thought this 2009 concept looked good

X-Road @ NetCarShow
 

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I always thought this 2009 concept looked good

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All show and no go though....

Perhaps what they meant by crossover is more like Subaru's Outback or XV...


A Focus crossover with raised suspension, bigger wheels and AWD.



Ford probably doesn't need a Focus all-track when they have a bevy of purpose-built Crossovers (and presuming better ones to come with a next-gen Eco-Sport/B-Max).
Doing a crossover Focus might allow the Escape/Kuga to look tougher I guess, perhaps make them more like junior-sized Explorers.
 

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"The range of models will be much more complex than it is now and will apparently include a two-door coupe for the first time. Ford used to offer the Focus as a CC model with a folding metal roof, but this new one is going to be a bit like the VW Scirocco and Audi TT, a FWD sportscar. The last time Ford did that, it was called a Puma (based on the Fiesta) and everybody loved it!"

So this will be the Focus coupe(hopefully a roadster also) with the option of using the new Performance AWD system. If Ford could make this mid engine(like the RS2000) all the better. In Europe where the small sports cars are popular in the cities. Miata would be it's initial competitor, and with an ST model with AWD it could take on TT and Boxter.

It makes sense that next generation Focus and Fiesta ST models get the new Performance AWD system, with the current Intelligent AWD as an option like on the Escape.

A new platform was necessary for electrified C-Segment vehicles, as the current platform was not made to hold the battery packs without intruding into the passenger compartment. Very much like what VW had to do, which is why VW was 3 years behind Ford with launching their first Golf EV(waiting for the mew platform to be ready).

"Ford is also planning a new Focus Electric with a bigger battery pack and a Prius-fighting hybrid, which will apparently use a 3-cylinder engine with 150 horsepower and an electric engine, which frankly sounds like a Golf GTE rival, not a Prius."

Next generation MY2017 Focus Electric will have to offer an integrated larger capacity battery pack with 200 EV miles to compete, so that's a given.

And I expect the 'new hybrid' to be a Focus model and part of the Focus Family(while still offering C-MAX Hybrid, Energi and a new Electric model). Which would mean there would finally be a Focus Energi and Escape Energi, but with a Volt matching 50 EV miles, along with a hybrid using the highly tunable 3-cylinder engine.

Since Ford is a single consumer brand company, to compete in the global market, Ford has to double up on Ford brand models to compete with the multiple brands from one manufacturer. Electrifying the Focus, C-Max and Escape models enables Ford to compete with many different brand offerings with one single Ford brand.

For instance:

Focus - gas/diesel
Focus - hybrid
Focus - plug-in hybrid
Focus - electric

C-Max - gas/diesel
C-Max - hybrid
C-Max - plug-in hybrid
C-Max - electric.

Escape - gas/diesel
Escape - hybrid
Escape - plug-in hybrid

Least we forget, the Fiesta is due for a new model for MY2016 but it's selling so well globally (Fiesta is the Global #1 selling B-segment car)Ford may push it to MY2017. But a hybrid, plug-in hybrid and electric model is expected from the new platform. Tougher emissions standards in European cities, along with diesel bans and EV ONLY restrictions make a plug-in hybrid and electric model important on a global scale.

Fitting the same electrified drivetrains into the very high volume B and C segment vehicles creates tremendous cost savings for Ford globally.

We heard about the New Performance AWD system from Ford. Now it's time for more details about the New RWD Hybrid drivetrain for trucks and SUVs that Ford and Toyota initially were working on together. I expect the new RWD Hybrid drivetrain to make it to the 2017 F-150. The 2.7L already offers auto stop-start, next is adding the hybrid drivetrain and larger battery pack. Then the F-150 plug-in hybrid is a must. At least 25 miles of EV range and power to run equipment quietly and efficiently on site is a big deal.

This also means we need to see a Edge, New Explorer and New Expedition hybrid, Energi models. Then on to Lincoln.

Ford has so much more coming over the next few years. But they have to to keep up with the competition.
 

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"...an ST model with AWD it could take on TT and Boxter..."




maybe we need a simple RULE here?
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IF it's $10k+ Per Seat(or PkgShelf) :: think Lincoln FIRST


"...Then on to Lincoln."
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All show and no go though....

Perhaps what they meant by crossover is more like Subaru's Outback or XV...

A Focus crossover with raised suspension, bigger wheels and AWD.

Doing a crossover Focus might allow the Escape/Kuga to look tougher I guess, perhaps make them more like junior-sized Explorers.
yup
I saw a XV on the STREET (not dirt road or trail) the other day
looked nice
seriously woN'T believe more 1% of them will ever use their SOFTroading ability
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I have the feeling the C-Maxeses will get split into More-MPV-like for some markets and the softXroader for others
(kinda like the B-Max/EcoSport ..... that *I* wish were merged :facepalm: )


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snippets from the google-translation
globally deployable module platform
Prius opponent is planned for 2019
a replacement for the weaker four-cylinder, a larger 1.5liter three-cylinder in the works​
 

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Quote Originally Posted by MAP employee elsewhere
C-max is getting a replacement. It's supposed to be for MY2019

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"replacement"
Yes, a replacement is due. NA gets the refreshed C-Max for MY2016 with pushes out the replacement to MY2019 with Ford's new global B and C segment refresh to replacement rate of 3 years. Europe is just getting the C-MAX Energi in it's refreshed form for MY2015, so it needs at least 3 years before a replacement.

So I am looking for C-Max EB+Hybrid, Energi and even a 200 EV mile Electric version for NA.

I am also expecting a 200+ mile Fusion Electric. Lincoln on the other hand, should get larger packs than the Ford brand. At least 25 EV miles more.
 

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^ so now my questions are
How many of these 'CB3' architecture variants will be "A.M.P." vs the Ford Brand?
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[LINCOLN]
-- will it get any of these?
-- or really concentrate just on bigger CD6/D6 vehicles?
-- will FLincMoCo do ANYTHING new electrical for Lincoln before ... 2019??



edit: JUST started wondering if "A.M.P." will the name for the EcoBoosted+electro versions??
 

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^ so now my questions are
How many of these 'CB3' architecture variants will be "A.M.P." vs the Ford Brand?
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[LINCOLN]
-- will it get any of these?
-- or really concentrate just on bigger CD6/D6 vehicles?
-- will FLincMoCo do ANYTHING new electrical for Lincoln before ... 2019??

edit: JUST started wondering if "A.M.P." will the name for the EcoBoosted+electro versions??
OK..did i miss something? What is A.M.P?
 

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yup
I saw a XV on the STREET (not dirt road or trail) the other day
looked nice
seriously woN'T believe more 1% of them will ever use their SOFTroading ability
:po$eur-smilie:
I think its dirt road use varies depending on the market.
One thing I noticed with the Euro-Asian Mk2 and Global Mk3, its front seems lower than the Fiesta's, it appears to have a more nose-down stance.


I remember comparing a Fiesta to a Focus parked side by side, I kneeled down and compared the sill areas just behind the front wheels and the Fiesta did seem higher.


I have the feeling the C-Maxeses will get split into More-MPV-like for some markets and the softXroader for others
(kinda like the B-Max/EcoSport ..... that *I* wish were merged :facepalm: )
The "Max" models are already exactly what an MPV should be, remember they offer a lwb 7-seater version of the C-Max (called Grand C-Max) in Europe.
I actually wish the EcoSport became more rugged, that's why I don't want it to be merged with the B-Max which serves as a roomier MPV alternative to the Fiesta.

Same thing I wish for the Kuga/Escape, I hope they get that extra dose of ruggedness that big Ford SUVs and older Ford SUVs are known for.
 

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Then there is a new Focus Coupe that can bring back the Focus Cabriolet.



But it needs to look a lot more like this....



With the same 2.3L EcoBoost from the Mustang and AWD from the Focus RS. But more civilized.

Sitting right below the New Mustang...

 

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I've been seeing quite a few Mustangs on the street and sadly it doesn't look as good in person, or at least none of those that I've seen do.
just-imho
Ford did a last minute switch from J May's slightly smaller and VERY diff idea
to one MUCH closer to the previous S197
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it won't s'prise me if they re-do the small(er) idea
-- after the ATS-based Camaro is out or close to out
-- when they are closer to implementing the LincStang
 

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I've been seeing quite a few Mustangs on the street and sadly it doesn't look as good in person, or at least none of those that I've seen do.
I know what you mean. Out on the road, I can't tell the new Mustang from the last gen from the back. I have to see the front end to know for sure.
 

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just-imho
Ford did a last minute switch from J May's slightly smaller and VERY diff idea
to one MUCH closer to the previous S197
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it won't s'prise me if they re-do the small(er) idea
-- after the ATS-based Camaro is out or close to out
-- when they are closer to implementing the LincStang
I was actually hoping that the 2015 Mustang would be smaller. But with it being the size it is, it opens up an opportunity for a smaller AWD CD2 platform performance coupe/convertible, with the ability to seat 4, but really made for 2. Just like Porsche makes the 911 and smaller Boxster, I think Ford should offer the Mustang and the smaller roadster also.

But I am still waiting on the sexy, powerful, technologically advanced, lightweight aluminum/carbon fiber LincStang.
 

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I've been thinking/saying that, with platform reductions, EVERY car/cuv smaller than D6/CD6 might be on (basically) One platform (or architecture)
(( except entry-leftovers: Escort & whatever ))
hey already are C1/C2 was formed into EUCD/CD4 which has/will underpin everything larger until the rumored D6. Currently we still have D3/D4 (Volvo based) under the Tuaurs+ Category, but Edge / Galaxy / S-MAx and smaller are all riding on Focus derived platform all the way down to the Fiesta / B-Max / EcoSport / Ka .... which have their own architecture.
 
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