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Well if that's the case then the big concept would probably be saved for NAIAS which could make MKC/MKX at LA. :angel
Just to be clear, I don't know of any concept being shown, that's my own speculation. A few months ago, I'd have said we'd see a next-gen MKZ (or whatever they call it) or Aviator concept, but it sounds like CD6 may be further off than we thought, and I'm not sure you'd want to launch a concept so far off from a production version.
 

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Just to be clear, I don't know of any concept being shown, that's my own speculation. A few months ago, I'd have said we'd see a next-gen MKZ (or whatever they call it) or Aviator concept, but it sounds like CD6 may be further off than we thought, and I'm not sure you'd want to launch a concept so far off from a production version.
I get what you're saying just want it to fit my delusions! :-(

That being said though the initial timeline was 2019 for the new MKZ/Zephyr/New Name right?

If that is still on course and the rumors of CD6 being delayed are false then we would see a new concept in Detroit or NY and then they can beat it to death for a year till the production one is ready.

Now if the rumors are true then god only knows what will happen with Lincoln's lineup. They would probably have to refresh the Z again to add the 9/8 speed if it will fit... can't see why it wouldn't but stranger things have happened. I did some looking around at other luxury brands and Lincoln really is behind by only having 6 speeds across the lineup minus the Navigator. Only the RLX in FWD offers a 6 speed and in AWD has a 7 speed. Continental needs the updated transmission too, to stay competitive.
 

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You are right. The rear bumper is different, with the hard line horizontal in place of the current upward crease. The lights are different,too.
It looks like the rear lights may be going more straight line horizontal(less curved at the top) like on the Continental Concept. A thinner more elegant and modern overall shape. Which would go nicely with what I think will be two rows of thinner headlights and daytime running lights/turn signals.

 

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It looks like the rear lights may be going more straight line horizontal(less curved at the top) like on the Continental Concept. A thinner more elegant and modern overall shape. Which would go nicely with what I think will be two rows of thinner headlights and daytime running lights/turn signals.

Such a redesign would mean making a completely new quarter panel, which doesn't seem to be the case looking at it in these pictures.

I think they're the same taillights, with maybe some updated graphics within them (but even that, I doubt).
 

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There is a tweak to the corner lines in the rear bumper which seems to be done to match the redesign up front which loses a similar character line from the last design. The lower fascia is otherwise unchanged, the MKC update has a similar scenario, they retain the lower front fascia trim even if the design above it has been changed, probably saves a couple million in re-engineering the sensors and fixtures.


 

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I did some looking around at other luxury brands and Lincoln really is behind by only having 6 speeds across the lineup minus the Navigator. Only the RLX in FWD offers a 6 speed and in AWD has a 7 speed. Continental needs the updated transmission too, to stay competitive.
I don't know...do u really think the number of speeds in a transmission sways a potential buyer? As long as the car drives well, I seriously doubt many customers would care. And I've not read/watched any reviews that cast a seriously negative spin at continentals transmission.
 

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I don't know...do u really think the number of speeds in a transmission sways a potential buyer? As long as the car drives well, I seriously doubt many customers would care. And I've not read/watched any reviews that cast a seriously negative spin at continentals transmission.
Agreed! They would benefit from slightly better efficiency/performance which is always good but I highly doubt Lincoln is losing any measurable sales due to being a couple gears short.
 

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Lincoln is a mixed bag on tech, it's certainly not an innovator but it's not missing much for the price. They've also done a good job smoothing out the 6-speed, this MKX is the first time I've ever liked this transmission so they finally sat down and did something about it. But they smoothed out the transmission by retarding the power as it shifts gears so much of the engine performance is actually being lost through that push/pull of the confined transmission tuning. A more modern transmission should solve much of this.
 

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I think they should still offer the 2.7, basically just mirror the Continental's engine lineup. Although I've been wondering if the 3.7 V6 may be on it's way out, possibly replaced by 3.5 based off the new 3.3 used in the F-150. Either way the new transmission should be there.
^ TY, Badhac :thumb:
my head's not 'registering' that 3.3 yet. It + the 3.0T sound pretty good to me
:joyous: ...tho still want something electrifried...soonish


I have the impression that
- the 9-speed is mechanically ready,
- just the controls/'tuning'/software which is Fomoco-specific is different
from GM
- who ^ is planning on charging a Lot for it on a Few models'-toptrims
- what Fomoco is working-on 'exclusively' (as a price-breaker) is the 8-speed
while NOT finding pix of the F-150's "NavyPier" interior :( found the engines:
- All-new 3.3L Ti-VCT V6 – 290 HP/265 lb.-ft./rpm * Std

- 2.7L EcoBoost® - 325 HP/400 lb.-ft./rpm
- 5.0L Ti-VCT V8 - 395 HP/400 lb.-ft./rpm
- 3.5L EcoBoost - 375 HP/470 lb.-ft./rpm
- High-output 3.5L EcoBoost - 450 HP/510 lb.-ft./rpm ** on F-150 Raptor
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Interested to see how this turns out. I do think it should adopt the 3.0L. I also think that going forward Lincoln should do the E-Latch on all of their cars--at least on the interior. I wonder if they will do a more drastic change with the interior and make it look more like the Navigator with the tablet style infotainment screen?
 

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Interested to see how this turns out. I do think it should adopt the 3.0L. I also think that going forward Lincoln should do the E-Latch on all of their cars--at least on the interior. I wonder if they will do a more drastic change with the interior and make it look more like the Navigator with the tablet style infotainment screen?
I like the E-Latch to synch the doors closed, but I don't favor the button actuated latches over a nice quiet door pull mechanism. I think Continental got a little carried away but it does give the car some character.

MCEs typically don't make big changes to interiors anymore. We will probably see an update similar to the MKZ which preserved the design but added the new Lincoln Switchgear and beefed up the trim.
 

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Interested to see how this turns out. I do think it should adopt the 3.0L. I also think that going forward Lincoln should do the E-Latch on all of their cars--at least on the interior. I wonder if they will do a more drastic change with the interior and make it look more like the Navigator with the tablet style infotainment screen?
I think the 3.0 is a given. E-latch, I'd say is likely going forward.....certainly on sedans at least. Crossovers may sit too high for them to be practical (that's part of why Navigator didn't get them).....at least the beltline version. I don't think we'd see a drastic change for the interior either, as they're likely limited with existing hard points. Those two changes would be for a redesign.
 

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Taking a closer look I think this prototype has the big door handles only for redundancy while they test the e-latch. Seems like the camo is trying to hide something I've circled below.

 

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Taking a closer look I think this prototype has the big door handles only for redundancy while they test the e-latch. Seems like the camo is trying to hide something I've circled below.

From the rear quarter angle, that area looks flat. The e-latch door handle protrudes as seen in the inset photo.


If you look at the old 2017 Continental spy photos, the camo couldn't hide the e-latch door handles completely because they stuck out.
 

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Taking a closer look I think this prototype has the big door handles only for redundancy while they test the e-latch. Seems like the camo is trying to hide something I've circled below.

Such a change wouldn't happen for a refresh, it would involve redesigning the entire door - not just the sheetmetal.
 

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@AM222 I'm not suggesting it is a similar system to the Continental. Something similar to Tesla or even an older Vette, using the sane touch pads used on the Continental no doubt.
@rmc523 we don't know that such considerations weren't made when this vehicle was designed, which wasn't that long ago. Wouldnt be surprised if they just wanted to debut fancy doors on the Continental.

I don't know though. Just saying there is a notable anomaly in the camo exactly where an e-latch type device would be.
 

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Wouldnt be surprised if they just wanted to debut fancy doors on the Continental.
Or simply ran out of time - and the gadget XYZ was simply deemed not worth a delayed launch ... Which happens more often that us in product like to admit.
 

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If e-latches were going added to the MKX they would have to do it with the existing door stampings, they never change these out since it's far too expensive for an MCE budget and I'm sure it's not that important to them.
 
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