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...ouch. Those are not pretty pictures.



neither are these...











Come on Mooseman, you are smarter than that...

Regards!
...all I was doing was recognizing those are real issues, not comparing them to Tesla. No one living isn’t aware of Tesla’s early QC issues. I just expected better of a legacy automaker. I mean, Tesla started building its first real car 7 years ago.
 

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...ouch. Those are not pretty pictures.



neither are these...











Come on Mooseman, you are smarter than that...

Regards!
...ouch. Those are not pretty pictures.



neither are these...











Come on Mooseman, you are smarter than that...

Regards!
...all I was doing was recognizing those are real issues, not comparing them to Tesla. No one living isn’t aware of Tesla’s early QC issues. I just expected better of a legacy automaker. I mean, Tesla started building its first real car 7 years ago.
Specially one that poked fun at the ‘production ****’ and the ‘tents’ Tesla used to fix the Model 3s....Ford is in the same position now hey?!
 

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Specially one that poked fun at the ‘production ****’ and the ‘tents’ Tesla used to fix the Model 3s....Ford is in the same position now hey?!

Hi HELLboy. The completly new Ford Escape is starting the launch process. The magazines reviews are in the web since yesterday. Go and try to find some early assembled unit with the logical faults in quality and make another scandal. You looks bored...
 

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Specially one that poked fun at the ‘production ****’ and the ‘tents’ Tesla used to fix the Model 3s....Ford is in the same position now hey?!

Hi HELLboy. The completly new Ford Escape is starting the launch process. The magazines reviews are in the web since yesterday. Go and try to find some early assembled unit with the logical faults in quality and make another scandal. You looks bored...
All first drivers....first drives are ALWAYS positive because they are sponsored 😉....
 

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For those catching up in this thread, some believe that a very few early build all new $50K explorers are not allowed to have small panel gap irregularities......but Tesla gets a pass with $80-100K vehicles, even after all these years, while also having far worst panel gaps, and in far greater numbers, because they are BEV.

Got it.
 

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For those catching up in this thread, some believe that a very few early build all new $50K explorers are not allowed to have small panel gap irregularities......but Tesla gets a pass with $80-100K vehicles, even after all these years, while also having far worst panel gaps, and in far greater numbers, because they are BEV.

Got it.
I believe that would be a straw man argument.
 

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I went through the Lincoln Aviator configurator and spent a couple days on it and weeded my way down from my Black Label Aviator for $82K to Reserve I for $62K! I will try the Standard tomorrow to see if I can weed it down even more! I guess I hung up on the ventilated front seats since that what I have in my car now but is it worth the extra $3K? Probably not! I remember doing the Standard configuration with AWD and it came to around $57K. So it only $5K more. I will buy aftermarket wheels so I may go with the Standard and for go getting the ventilated front seats; go with the aluminum trim interior. Get aftermarket interior trim pieces too later on.

Had sometime afterward and got a Standard model for $55K! That is a $7K difference!

I think I am going to call Costco Auto Services and ask to buy it on Monday! I know from past experiences, the dealer sales guy 1. Wants you to buy from inventory, 2. Ignores your request to have it built or give you pricing on it but continue showing you cars in your price range in stock. After finding a stock vehicle, has to go talk to sales manager. Give you their price. Call Costco and find out it is too high and you tell sales guy and he goes back to sales manager and you get the actual Costco price printed out. Ask for to fill out purchase agreement. Will let you test drive the vehicle for 10 minutes on their route only if you are willing to complete the purchase agreement. I always want the built it and they are not interested in that. Leave dealership! The end.

What you guys think?
 

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Aviator's path to the "SUV of the year" award has begun. Here are the nominees. I bet everything for the new Lincoln to win the prize.
Ford has 2 Lincolns, 3 Fords in the initial list.



https://www.motor1.com/news/372100/2020-car-truck-suv-of-the-year/



The SUV of the year will be the Lincoln Aviator
The truck of the year will be the Jeep Gladiator
The car of the year will be the Chevy Corvette





P.S.: message to Mooseman: there is the Mercedes-Benz A-Class ... :wink2:
 

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Drove an Aviator Black Label over the weekend and loved it.
 

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Aviator's path to the "SUV of the year" award has begun. Here are the nominees. I bet everything for the new Lincoln to win the prize.
Ford has 2 Lincolns, 3 Fords in the initial list.



https://www.motor1.com/news/372100/2020-car-truck-suv-of-the-year/



The SUV of the year will be the Lincoln Aviator
The truck of the year will be the Jeep Gladiator
The car of the year will be the Chevy Corvette





P.S.: message to Mooseman: there is the Mercedes-Benz A-Class ... /forums/images/FordInsideNews_2015/smilies/tango_face_wink.png
...did they make the list for fastest depreciating turdbox?
 

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I will say the gauge menus are confusing and layered. I also was thrown off by the steering wheel's toggle selectors, which don't push in for ok, you have to toggle it right for "OK" which is kind of un-intuitive.



One feature I did think was really cool (and an idea I had years ago) - when you turn on the windshield washers, the stream doesn't spray all over the windshield from nozzles under the hood, it comes out from the edge of the entire length both wiper blades. A really neat touch.
 
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