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A car is very expensive to produce if you don't share that development with something that can help return the investment, especially since Lincoln is very low volume. If Lincoln is the only one with the car, then the expense for development balloons substantially. It's not just a matter of sharing a platform since that's only part of the development, but a platform has to be customized for its application (Fusion/Edge/Continental CD4s are all hardly interchangeable).

I don't think Continental is going anywhere soon unless it's loosing money or they need the factory space (unlikely). It could easily be here for 8-10 years which puts it in the mid 2020s. By that time we will have yet more evolutions of the automotive form and technology which will either make Continental redundant or they will have the resources and platform scalability they need to develop a replacement. I don't think we'll see an MKZ successor however.

I wonder what's going to happen with other CD4 products like Edge/Nautilus.
 

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...It's not just a matter of sharing a platform since that's only part of the development, but a platform has to be customized for its application (Fusion/Edge/Continental CD4s are all hardly interchangeable)...

...I wonder what's going to happen with other CD4 products like Edge/Nautilus.
it's been my impression that Fomoco had done a Half-Assed-job with any kind of flexibility in the past
( actually since the Model T ! )
&
tho I won't count on it - Hope the cD6 changes that!!

otoh, I'd like the Edge & nautiluX to de-couple, with the Edge (like Fusion) being a plus-sized C#/Focus/Escape/Model-E

...I don't think Continental is going anywhere soon unless it's loosing money or they need the factory space (unlikely). It could easily be here for 8-10 years which puts it in the mid 2020s. By that time we will have yet more evolutions of the automotive form and technology which will either make Continental redundant or they will have the resources and platform scalability they need to develop a replacement. I don't think we'll see an MKZ successor however...
part of the reason I think Lincoln might well do a "MARK"
then eventually, add-if-warranted(/or-replace-if-not^ with) another Continental
Main question for me is
Will they do a STARstang??
(ie small than MKZ)
 

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So much depends on determining what the RWD platform is and if it's really so flexible that it can accommodate both a lightweight sports car and a big 3-Row SUV, there really is no precedent for a "platform" like this. That's not a small task and would be a fairly big undertaking for Ford to pull off while successfully serving both clients. If Mustang goes from completely locked down to wildly flexible, anything is possible in terms of Lincoln cars based on it. But as I've said before, I think the idea of a Lincoln Mustang is fairly irrelevant in an age where powerful hybrids and electric can make anything faster and more powerful. Mustang is pretty terrible at everything that's important to Lincoln.
 

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for me, & what I'm going on about,
the main characteristic of the STARstang isN'T drivetrains but SIZE = 3series
Trying to crack the 3-Series segment is a little like Toyota and Nissan trying to crack the Full-Size Truck. It's a nice idea in principle, extremely difficult in practice.
 

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Don't mind at all quote me anywhere if you need to!

I still don't believe they are cancelling the Continental after 2 years.

Well, they dropped Edsel after 2 years, and the lower models used the Ford body and upper models used the Mercury body.
 

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running away from pix in:
Re: Suicide Doors on Future Lincoln Continental
...the admin, also expressed the opinion that a v8 belongs in a LtdEd. ...
I'm thinking a v8 ought to be no harder than certification for retro-fitted and stretched? operadoors :surprise2:
&
I can't imagine anything More extreme engineering-wise...THO
could definitely make a wish-List of OTHER 'extremities' :nerd: ...easier ones!!
List:
destroked 3.5-4.4L v8 & turbos
superglued 2x1.0/1.2L straight6, only turbos'ed
battery-surfboard to raise any model a couple inches & electrifry
STARstangs = sportsedan 4-door, STARbrake 5-door; coupecabrio 2seat/2-door
MARK = "4doorCoupe" & 2+2coupecabrio
+ scuvs in OP
 

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destroked 3.5-4.4L v8 & turbos
superglued 2x1.0/1.2L straight6, only turbos'ed
battery-surfboard to raise any model a couple inches & electrifry
STARstangs = sportsedan 4-door, STARbrake 5-door; coupecabrio 2seat/2-door
MARK = "4doorCoupe" & 2+2coupecabrio
+ scuvs in OP
Add:

Limited-edition gull-wing Navigator (Yes, the Concept).
 

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Discussion Starter #32 (Edited)
copied from the Aviator thread
sorry my puter screwed up the Capitals - trying to fix some...

Z Replacement
Aviator looks amazing. Powerful and elegant. Well done Lincoln! And beautiful interior. There are now signs of life at Lincoln!! if only i were saying this about an upcoming new MARK LSC...
honestly, i believe that’s the fourth vehicle they will make.
- mark ix
i’m thinking the mkix will get the rear hinged doors and be a four door coupe it could compete with a the CLS and A7...
...also Lincoln’s centennial (with ford) is coming up rite around the time the last of the four vehicles should debut.
ugh they tried a 4 door mark in the early 80s and it didn't take well (not counting the 50s marks)
if they do a new mark i think it should be 2 door only.
since today's market is the same as the early 80s...
afaik that was just cuz of big hair and shoulder-pads :angel
ie too diff to count...
...re: Others' comments ... Carcars are topsecret for now ... Tho
imho ... A mark replaces the Z PDQ...like next year-ish!!
Then a new conti [& starstang?] happen if&when conditions permit
never said that but nice try.
It's a historic nameplate same thing if they started making a 4 door mustang.
ugh they tried a 2 door that didn’t work the last time either. Lincoln isn’t going to sell people on them being a maker of sexy 2 door coupes at the moment but they need a style halo car that can also be spacious enough for luxury customers. I think at this point they can’t get back into the personal luxury coupe market and it would be a waste of money.
last time Lincoln tried a 2 door was the mark viii they pulled out of that market because they wanted to replace the mark series with the ls, before that the mark series was going uninterpreted since 1969. If mercedes can still do a 2 door halo type vehicle why can't Lincoln? They had one for most of their existence and cost would probably be minimal if it shares the same platform as the mustang. It's a status symbol.
i think any "mark" car going forward would likely be a CLS/A7 kind of 4-door coupe. While there are some halo coupes still out there, that whole market segment has shrunk brutally. I'd be all for a properly impressive Lincoln coupe, but i think the marque would need to get at least 2-3 very solid sellers in place before they could do that kind of niche vehicle.
this is my opinion exactly. It'd be nice to see a true coupe from Lincoln, but it'd be more realistic for it to be a 4-door coupe. Unless they can make a case for 2 and 4 door coupe of the same vehicle.
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Discussion Starter #33 (Edited)
fwiw/imho
seeing as the prestige-gap of a Rwd(proportion) car adds maybe 4-6" to the wheelbase,
(not changing interior-space nor-even-maybe overall length)
I'm thinking at least 116" for the Z/reMARKment ... anyone think the Aviator's is longer??
kinda feel they could be the same, whatever that is

Anyone heading to Javits wanna try to measure? :nerd: >:)
 

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just cuz *I* am getting confused going between multiple thread (AND WebSites!)...
it's been my impression that Fomoco had done a Half-Assed-job with any kind of flexibility in the past
( actually since the Model T ! )
&
tho I won't count on it - Hope the cD6 changes that!!...
since we now have this MotorTrend link in 2 (Long) threads that have been going for quite some time with many topics in them;
think I'm gonna stick mine HERE (in this shorter/newer thread, that SORTA was started from J.Falotico's new tenure...)
PLUS a bit of Non-FiN BACKGROUND (below, via Falc'man/M6g :thumb:)
& crossreferencing: LINCOLN 12-STEP program: #1 & 2... (hopefully, Less speculative)
from: What do you want to see from Lincoln?
Really great interview with Joy Falotico about Lincoln. MotorTrend asked all the right questions. She unfortunately avoided directly answering anything, but she touches on the RWD platform, and also she hints that the Aviator will have more than a 30 mile pure EV range.
INTERVIEW: LINCOLN CHIEF JOY FALOTICO ON AVIATOR, OTHER FUTURE PRODUCTS -
http://www.motortrend.com/news/lincoln-chief-joy-falotico-interview-aviator/
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from: Ford/Lincoln product forecast UPDATED
I sent this to 2b2 but haven't seen anyone post it yet. An interview with Joy Falotico and MT
http://www.motortrend.com/news/lincoln-chief-joy-falotico-interview-aviator/
She gives a lot of corporate answers but one thing she mentions is a replacement for the MKZ so that's been confirmed.
:thumb: &
from: Ford/Lincoln product forecast UPDATED
On M6G one of the members is saying Mustang will not go over to CD6 for the reason that it'll ruin Mustang's proportions.

My take on the situation:
quote="Falc'man @ Mustang6g" / from: 2021 MUSTANG (S650) - 7th Generation Mustang Confirmed
Farruko @ M6g said:
...the original plans for the CD6 were a SMALLER Mustang so they decided to keep the proportions.
Eagle-1 @ M6g said:
...almost everything and everyone close to or within the company are all saying that the Mustang will in fact be CD6 based...
(Has) a CD6 based mustang cancellation been confirmed?
That was the plan so far, but something changed. Can’t say more about it.
Twin Turbo @ M6g said:
I know you're reliable source, so...
...So, could CD6 simply be an update of the S550 chassis?
Everything about the new S650 mustang is a mess and difficult to get enough information especially when we are still a couple of years away. I’m going to say something though, the original plans of the S650 were for a 2021MY car... don’t you think that something *significant* changed so they had to move it one year as a 2022MY? Just think about it, it’s not written in stone yet.
Time will tell.
From CD6 we know there are the following;
Ford sedan,
Plus the same from Lincoln (not confirmed),
Maybe Mach1 is on this platform,
Maybe Lincoln version of Mach1,
Explorer,
Aviator,
And, if Mustang was ever going to stand a fighting chance to remain profitable, and to make CD6 even more profitable, one would expect it to borrow from this platform. Like Alpha Camaro does.

Logic says its CD6. I'm trying to think of reasons why they'd keep it on the same platform besides what Twin Turbo mentioned re proportions and there simply aren't any. I don't believe CD6 is an evolution of S550's platform otherwise Farruko's brother wouldn't be so upset.

That's potentially 7 or 8 vehicles from the one platform, or, split those vehicles into 2 groups where the sedans and SUVs are on CD6 and anything coupe-like goes on the Mustang platform.

Platform-sharing is important, with much more emphasis being placed on it from Ford, so if it stays on the existing platform I would expect the followiing:
Mustang,
Ford 4-door coupe,
Lincoln coupe,
And Lincoln 4-door coupe,
Mach1

Problem with that is they never mentioned any 4-door coupe in the recent press release. Perhaps they didn't need to.
:thumb:
I think you guys didn’t get what I meant by “smaller Mustang”. I didn’t mean “M4-like”, The plan was to have a “Toyota Supra Fighter” (yes, that small)...
:surprise2:
 

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Discussion Starter #36 (Edited)
my extracts from MT that I didn't have time to post earlier
MT Interview: Lincoln Chief Joy Falotico on Aviator, Other Future Products
...The new head of Lincoln talks SUVs, China, electrification, and more...
JF: ...we are going to have two new utilities. This is just one of them [Lincoln Aviator], so we have another one to come. And we have four new vehicles around the corner. So getting those vehicles in the pipeline and getting them to market is clearly a priority.
MT: They will be a combination of new nameplates and next-generation models?
JF: Yeah. It’s safe to assume that...
MT: ...The name [Aviator] almost has more equity than the vehicle itself.
JF: With this new vehicle, I think we’ll change that...
MT: ...Design-wise... ...but engineering-wise [Continental] was still on an old platform.
JF: We are looking at other things that we can do with Continental**, and we’ll have more to say about that later.
** suicide doors ...​
MT: ...Will Lincoln set itself apart from Ford by offering electrified versions across the lineup?
JF: Yes, it will be. It’s across the lineup, and it’s all about the new technology. The other piece of it is it fits right into our brand DNA. We’re calling it a “quiet flight” because with the electrified powertrain, that’s how quiet it is. You don’t even hear the car, so it fits right into what we’re doing with the brand and the DNA so that you know you’re in a Lincoln.
MT: Will it vary by model whether it is a hybrid, plug-in hybrid, or full EV?
JF: At this time we’re not making any announcements on that, but we’re starting with the plug-in hybrid while technology evolves on the BEVs.
MT: There will be a pure Lincoln EV at some point?
JF: Anything’s possible...

...by Alisa Priddle (fwiw, Not my fave journo)
just-imho, J.T sounds like she's repeating a 'briefing' that she has Yet to contribute to...

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and my lineup speculation revised/globalized last night

223.3-131wlb -- Navi L _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ ExpedMax
208-119wlb -- Navi _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Exped
___China - 210-121 - MKTc ...ngConti?
201 -- cD6 Avi _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ . Explop
. . . MARK...195-116? _ _ _ _ _. 195½ = Bronco3
192 -- cD6 nautiluX _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Edge & .......Mach1? 188-192ovl
. . . STARstang{ 189-111 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . { _ _ /C2-Fusion
183 -- MKG cD6 Macan-killer _ _ _ _ _ _. Bronco2 &....Mach1? 109wlb
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ .Mustang

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ 177½ = C2-Escape
174 -- MKC/Maverick (C is/was 179.2) _. Maverick+?
___China - 165 - MKA _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ . Maverick?"Bronco1"

ref:
2019 BMW X2 -- 172.2 -- 105.1
EcoSport - 158.1*/167.1 - 99.3 * w/o sparetire

Ø. Aviator (Ch2020)
1. Macan-killer/MKG
2-5. China MKTc & MKA, global MARK & STARtang; whatever order
:nerd: ...I'm not counting nextgens of MKC 2020 or cD6-nautiluX 2021
 

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BEYOND UNCOVERED: WHITE SPACE... 8-o

copied from the Officially Cancelled thread...
...might eventually reName this one

Imagining a Ford Sportback Concept:

Tell me if my sketch is looking like a sportback and not a regular sedan. How can I make it look more like a sportback?

For the head and taillights I'm trying to do sort of a 1-2-3 theme. That's why there are just lines. What can I improve on?
 

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Re: BEYOND UNCOVERED: WHITE SPACE... 8-o

synthesizing
the 5 (FIVE*) platforms
Holy Grail C2 F-Awd = not-in-US-backyard? euro drivetrains
• Body-on-frame TRUCK/Suv
• Unibody VANs
• Unibody Rwd PASSENGER vehicles/vehicuvs = Mustang/Aviator
Electric car < CAR!(s?)
? Ranger/Everest/Bronco???*

page9^ Ford Uncovered Press Kit Pdf 91mb/54pages


part of old signature I just changed:
...I'm still wondering about cD6 having ALWAYS been related to S650
so this could be a smaller change of plans than it sounds?
cuz
it's looking like cD6 *IS* S650 :surprise2: & vice-versa :(
 

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Re: BEYOND UNCOVERED: WHITE SPACE SPECULATION

Ford has been flooding us with powerpoints & aNNouncements for MONTHS
...it only became apparent to me when looking up info/links^ & had to excavate thru TOO much to find stuff...
& doing a G*D-AWFUL job of making ANY of it easy to put together!


I'm not to the e-MYSTERY yet but thinking that ought to have a good number of models
LIKE the other architectures
Which I expect will provide the/most/any carCar replacements


U611 – Aviator
U625 – Explorer
cD622 – mkZREPLACEMENT
S650 – Mustang


cD6
Chicago - Explorer, Aviator
Flat Rock 1 - Continental, Mustang, MARK?, Mach1?

E1/Flat Rock 2 - Mach1?, Autonomous "Uber mobile"

C2
Louisville - MKC, Maverick, Escape overflow?
Oakville - Edge, Nautilus, MKG-Macan
Cuautitlán: electrics ____________
Hermosillo - C2 and smaller stuff... \& stretched C2-Fusion?
_ _ _ _ _ _ - CX430 short-C utility, Escape?

Trucks
Michigan - Ranger, Bronco
Kentucky - F-series Super Duty, Expedition, Navigator
Dearborn - F-150
Kansas City - F-150, Transit
Ohio - E-series, F-650/750

Global
SaarLouis - Focus hatches
Valencia - Transit Connect, (Mondeo, S-Max, Galaxy , Transit Connect, Kuga)
Cologne - Fiesta
Chongqing 2 - Focus sedans
Sanand,India - EcoSport
 
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