[2b2]

I think the old BRONCO thread is broken @administrator won't display past post#130
so:

If that redditor is true and revealed what the Bronco will be that will be such a waste of a nameplate

and swiped from reddit via BON
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I hear what you are saying. This truck will be a competitor to the Colorado. Our design team does not have the autonomy to change the hood, companies have already been contracted to produce the current design of most body panels. The new truck will be a facelifted T6. Our biggest consideration is preventing cannibalism of sales from the F-150.

Unfortunately, it will never resemble 4th-Gen Rangers. We have done extensive market research and that size of truck will simply not be profitable. By 2011 the Ranger's sales were being entirely propped up by fleet purchases, same as the Crown Victoria. People smarter than me that get paid more than me have made all of these decisions already, and I say this with a heavy heart, as a 4th-gen owner myself.

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Drivetrain combinations have not been finalized, we are watching the sales of the diesel Colorado and also are monitoring the fallout from Volkswagen's Dieselgate. The main problem is we are worried that a light truck like this with a diesel engine would be associated with the SUVs that VW put their TDI into. We expect the combinations to be finalized by this next year's Auto Show here in Detroit.

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It will be an Americanized version of what you have in Australia. .....It will be a facelifted T6

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We're working on a few different designs for market testing! One does resemble the F-150.

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We are benchmarking the Wrangler Unlimited for design considerations on the Bronco, but the doors/roof/windshield won't move. There's lots of OJ jokes around the office here but I have a feeling the marketing guys will be trying to avoid him

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Both vehicles will likely have similar off road capabilities in their off-road oriented trim level. One of our most important considerations is to prevent one vehicle from cannibalizing sales from another vehicle in the Ford lineup. This is why the Bronco will take an extra year to be released, we're having a bit of a tough time fitting it into the SUV lineup, which by 2020 will have 6 other SUVs already.

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It's unlikely that it will be termed "Raptor" and it won't be quite as capable as the Raptor, but there will be an off road-oriented trim.

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Super Cab will have the 6' bed, Crew Cab will have the 5' bed.

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The main body of it will look identical to what it is now. We are authorized to change the headlights, grille, and front fascia for a facelift. We may be allowed to modify the fenders if interest in the vehicle explodes, but as of right now we can't do that.

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No, the body will be reinforced to meet crash test standards, the interior will be completely redone for the U.S. Market, and the drivetrain combinations will be unique for North America.


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if the other thread starts working again, we can copy posts from here back to it ... nope, so copying pic
cardissection.com/2018-ford-bronco-pictures-news

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[Andrew L]

Thanks 2b2 I was going to let you know because I couldn't see my last post!

Ugh no removable roof!

 

[SP1966]

Sounds like Tom Brady has been involved given how much that post lets the air out of the rumors.

Regarding the Bronco only, if it won't be capable in the same sense as the Raptor in top off road form then it won't be as capable as the Wrangler either. I'm not bothered by the lack of movable windshield but the fixed roof and doors are a complete bummer.

Regarding the Ranger, they appear to be setting it up to fail. They are not going to build the best mid-sized truck while worrying it might take a few F150 sales. GM went after the mid-size market with what was unquestionably the best all around truck available and are reaping the rewards. I get it that with Ford's truck reputation they could get away with being second (or third/fourth) best and still achieve nice sales volume but I'm not remotely excited by the idea.

I fully expected it to be an evolution of the T6, I did not expect it to be a slightly facelifted T6. This is just a huge bummer, instead of building the best product they can and let the sales of their SUVs sort themselves out Ford is effectively doing everything they can to avoid stepping on toes which was going to be virtually impossible to begin with.

 

[2b2]

...The new truck will be a facelifted T6...

...I fully expected it to be an evolution of the T6, I did not expect it to be a slightly facelifted T6...

it will be an all-new generation, not T6
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likely that the RotW will only get it a year or more after the U.S.Ranger is on sale
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re: styling
The RotW Ranger/Everest-Endeavour doesn't have a cast-in-stone styling theme;
there is NO reason for any version to look like the current gens;
so ditto for the Bronco derivative...

...all^imho
:angel

 

[falcon lover]

The Ford plan for the USA Ranger and next Bronco is easy:

Ranger: a midcicle facelifted current truck. Nothing new. We have to wait to see wich engines they will launch with the truck in USA. Expect a 4 cyl (Ecoboost?) standard and a small V6 optional. No diesel in USA

Bronco: Ford will take the current Everest (maybe with a facelift) and put the Bronco moniker on it. That is all. No new model different from the Everest because that need a big invest. Engines? The same as the USA Ranger.

Dont expect a 2 door retro styled Bronco... No soft roof....no extreme offroad vehicle like the Raptor... Is easy to see the next Bronco: take a current Everest picture, change the grille and headligths , and, maybe, the tailligths too... But not so much. Put the brave horse on the sides of the vehicle and is ready!

 

[Topnotch]

Makes a lot of sense... if all goes well the 2nd gen will heighten the bar.
I love what the Everest can do...

I can get behind a true body on frame and solid rear axle truck.

Toyota has the same line up...
CH-R = Ecosport
RAV4 = Escape
Highlander = Explorer
Sequoia = Expedition
Tundra = F-150
4Runner = Bronco
Tacoma = Ranger

 

[Logans Run]

I agree...It looks to be more in the mold of a 4-Runner than a Wrangler. I am sure Chevy will have their model based off the Colorado, and out around the same time.

 

[SP1966]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9cM5hBzMY0

Ford has no need for this SUV in NA with the Explorer already selling well. Simply slapping the Bronco name on an ever so slightly changed Everest and you'll have both fighting for many of the same sales. I understand that with its close relationship with the Ranger that from a cost perspective it would still do well for Ford but something more in line with a true Wrangler fighter would fill an entirely new niche in their lineup. That niche is also a big dollar niche, the Wrangler is one of the simplest designs on the market and sells for big bucks, the Raptor is big money, people will pay for that off road capability even if all they do is put huge wheels with tiny strips of rubber around them and drive in a concrete jungle.

With Ford's focus on performance vehicles a truly capable, off road focused Bronco makes perfect sense and results in little to no product overlap. You cannot say the same for a rebadged Everest.

 

[SP1966]

it will be an all-new generation, not T6
&
likely that the RotW will only get it a year or more after the U.S.Ranger is on sale
+
re: styling
The RotW Ranger/Everest-Endeavour doesn't have a cast-in-stone styling theme;
there is NO reason for any version to look like the current gens;
so ditto for the Bronco derivative...

...all^imho
:angel

From your original post opening this thread: "I hear what you are saying. This truck will be a competitor to the Colorado. Our design team does not have the autonomy to change the hood, companies have already been contracted to produce the current design of most body panels. The new truck will be a facelifted T6. Our biggest consideration is preventing cannibalism of sales from the F-150."

Either the Reddit poster is full of crap, or it will not be an all new generation.

Edit: Let me clarify that regarding the Ranger I'm not bothered by it being T6 based so much as I am about the fact he claims the number one consideration is not stepping on the F150's toes. Build the two best trucks you can, full size and midsize, then let the buyer decide. GM went to great lengths to ensure their midsized trucks were the best in class, I doubt they did so with a primary goal of not stepping on the toes of their full sized trucks. I just hate seeing good enough from Ford.

 

[wingsnut]

There is plenty of space between a factory Everest and a Raptor.
I am sure Ford will find a sweet spot.

 

[SP1966]

There is plenty of space between a factory Everest and a Raptor.
I am sure Ford will find a sweet spot.

The problem from my perspective is the market is speaking with their dollars and saying the Wrangler is what they want. Toyota still offers the 4Runner, but it's a tiny niche in terms of sales and really even then isn't after the same buyer as the Wrangler. Ford has a huge opportunity with the Bronco, sticking that name on an Everest is just half assing it's potential.

 

[Andrew L]

IMO one of the best features of the Bronco was the removable roof. Obviously you can't do it like they did in the 60s to 90s since you would need a roll cage for obvious reasons but if it won't have it, that's a bummer.

 

[2b2]

From your original post opening this thread:

was the reddit posts that Andrew's disappearing post (quoted from old thread) referred to,
not what I believe/think...

..."I hear what you are saying. This truck will be a competitor to the Colorado. Our design team does not have the autonomy to change the hood, companies have already been contracted to produce the current design of most body panels"...

like with the Mustang S550 had 'many' (dozen?) fullsize, different style, mockups fabricated before getting finalized (saw pix on Mustang6g),
I don't see a reason to assume this anonymous-big-mouth is on the ONLY design team

..."The new truck will be a facelifted T6"...

I have reason to accept it's a new platform-generation.
Thinking that this time the U.S is getting it first, is MY assumption-
-but that answers any doubts about the lifespan of current RotW versions imho.

...
Either the Reddit poster is full of crap, or it will not be an all new generation.

Edit: Let me clarify that regarding the Ranger I'm not bothered by it being T6 based so much as I am about the fact he claims the number one consideration is not stepping on the F150's toes. Build the two best trucks you can, full size and midsize, then let the buyer decide. GM went to great lengths to ensure their midsized trucks were the best in class, I doubt they did so with a primary goal of not stepping on the toes of their full sized trucks. I just hate seeing good enough from Ford.

without totally dis-believing what he said,
I AM thinking that ^he^ only knows Part of the full bRangO story...

as far as I'm concerned, There HAVE TO be 3 main versions: pickup(s) / suv(s) / (Troller-)2-door
whether the U.S (eventually) gets (A version of) all 3 :: imho UNdecided as of yet
:nerd:

 

[joseodiaga4]

Makes a lot of sense... if all goes well the 2nd gen will heighten the bar.
I love what the Everest can do...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9cM5hBzMY0

I can get behind a true body on frame and solid rear axle truck.

Toyota has the same line up...
CH-R = Ecosport
RAV4 = Escape
Highlander = Explorer
Sequoia = Expedition
Tundra = F-150
4Runner = Bronco
Tacoma = Ranger

if they want something to compete with the 4Runner, the Everest is a nice idea but a "Bronco" can´t be just an Everest.
The Bronco should be this:

 

[rmc523]

Slapping the Bronco name on an Everest would be a failure and a waste of time, in my opinion. I'd be greatly disappointed if that's the route they take.

 

[wingsnut]

Wow, you guys have already condemned the vehicles as failure practically. Based on what? A few remarks and opinions on the internet.



If the guy was a Ford employee, what he did was wrong and hopefully he is held accountable. I put a lot of effort into not divulging sensitive secrets, especially product so far out.



I won't touch this one any further.

 

[rmc523]

Wow, you guys have already condemned the vehicles as failure practically. Based on what? A few remarks and opinions on the internet.



If the guy was a Ford employee, what he did was wrong and hopefully he is held accountable. I put a lot of effort into not divulging sensitive secrets, especially product so far out.



I won't touch this one any further.

I don't believe that guy was correct anyway. I still think we'll see something completely unique from the Everest, but still based on Ranger's platform.

My point is simply that Ford's crossover lineup is already filled with vehicles like the Everest in Edge and Explorer (with Escape and Expy below and above those, respectively). Why do they need another one slotted in there that is essentially the same vehicle? I just think a vehicle that targets a different audience (like the Wrangler) would be far more successful than another regular SUV in the lineup in the form of a rebadged Everest renamed Bronco.

 

[SP1966]

Wow, you guys have already condemned the vehicles as failure practically. Based on what? A few remarks and opinions on the internet.



If the guy was a Ford employee, what he did was wrong and hopefully he is held accountable. I put a lot of effort into not divulging sensitive secrets, especially product so far out.



I won't touch this one any further.

I'm simply responding to what was in that Reddit post, I acknowledge that it may be complete BS. That said the Bronco could well be a sales success for Ford while failing to fill a currently unfilled niche in their lineup. That wouldn't be a failure, but it would be extremely disappointing to me as a Ford fan.

 

[Bloggin]

Well, in 2004 this is what Ford anticipated the Bronco to look like.

From my perspective, it looks like the Troller T4 that came later offered production design elements of that concept, in a smaller package. Remembering that the large Bronco concept above was when GM sold Hummer. Those days are over. With global fuel economy restrictions getting tighter, a next gen Troller-ish Bronco on Ranger platform makes sense. Also, with Ford's consistency with offering 4-door vehicles to reach a wider market.

It's highly doubtful that a somewhat impractical 3 door Bronco will be the plan.

Ford needs a piece of the large and growing global Jeep consumer base. Wrangler sold 191.774 units in the US for 2016 by the way. Which is why I think a Troller T4 inspired, 4 door Bronco, lightweight, Everest size SUV with removable doors option and canvas roof option works.

 

[wingsnut]

I think that if Ford produces it with styling cues from at least one era, gives it aggressive offroad looks and capability (big tires, good ground clearance, big suspension travel, advanced AWD, skidplates, etc.) a powerful engine, and the name Bronco.....that the product will be well received by many. Especially because Ford does not make another SUV anywhere close to this. Certainly not the Explorer. The only thing missing for me personally, would be a removable section of roof. Perhaps Ford will surprise us there. As far as door count, I am on the fence. Climbing into the back seat of a tall 2 door 4x4, requires either youth or great skill and flexibility or all of the above. I had one. I know. Ford is smarter than that, no matter how cool we may think it to be. And no, deployable running boards have no place on a Bronco.