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Compact crossover fits between BMW X1, X3

Mark Rechtin
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July 6, 2014 - 11:00 pm ET

VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- Sixteen years ago, Lexus set the industry on its ear when it introduced the first car-based luxury crossover, the RX 300. Lexus had modest sales expectations for the RX, but the vehicle quickly became the brand's volume leader with annual sales routinely near or north of 100,000 units.

Now, with scads of RX imitators clogging America's roads, Lexus is trying the same play in the compact luxury crossover segment with the NX 200t and NX 300h.

The basics: In a clear sign of "segment creep," the compact NX is larger, heavier, faster and more fuel efficient than the mid-sized RX was when it launched in 1998 as a 1999 model.

Although the NX is based on the Toyota RAV4 platform, 90 percent of the parts are different. And even the similar parts have been retooled with tighter tolerances to give the NX a more luxurious feel than the mass-market RAV4. NX assembly also uses more high-tensile steel and more screw welding and adhesives than the RAV4, for better structural integrity.

The NX will be the first use of Toyota's new turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder engine, which it is building in-house. The engine's variable valve timing can switch from Otto to Atkinson cycle instantly, depending on power or fuel economy needs. The oil change interval is a thrifty 10,000 miles.


NX in lineLexus is positioning the NX as a competitor to the larger BMW X3. 2015 Lexus NX 200t 2014 BMW X3 1999 Lexus RX 300
Wheelbase 104.7 in. 110.6 in. 103.1 in.
Length 182.3 in. 183 in. 180.1 in.
Width 73.6 in. 74.1 in. 71.5 in.
Height 64.8 in. 65.4 in. 65.7 in.
Curb weight 3,940 lbs. 4,068 lbs. 3,692 lbs.
Base engine 2.0-liter turbo 4 2.0-liter turbo 4 3.0-liter V-6
Horsepower 235 @ 4,800 rpm 240 @ 5,000 rpm 220 @ 5,800 rpm
Torque, lbs.-ft. 258 @ 1,650 rpm 260 @ 1,250 rpm 222 @ 4,400 rpm
EPA mpg 22 city/28 hwy. (est.) 21 city/28 hwy. 19 city/24 hwy.
Base price $37,000 (est.) $40,725* $32,045* (1998)

*Includes shipping




Smith: NX is agile, athletic.



The turbo's boost curve has been smoothed to avoid the turbo lag sensation that plagued the first-generation Acura RDX and Mazda CX-7. But acceleration is strong through the six-speed automatic transmission, with 0-to-60 arriving in seven seconds.

A hybrid variant, using the same base 2.5-liter inline-four engine as the ES 300h, also will be available. Both standard and hybrid versions will be available in front- and all-wheel drive. The hybrid gets an estimated 35 mpg city/31 highway.

The awd system uses active torque control with electromagnetic coupling for the rear differential, rather than a standard torque converter. This allows the system to fluctuate from 100 percent of the power at the front to a 50-50 split with the rear wheels.

The front suspension is a MacPherson strut design; the rear is a double wishbone setup, with separated springs and shocks so the strut towers don't intrude into the cabin.


Features include an eight-speaker CD audio system with satellite radio.


Notable features: Standard features include 17-inch wheels, keyless locks, door handle footlights, LED headlamps and turn signal lamps, Siri Eyes Free mode and an eight-speaker CD audio system with satellite radio.

The 7-inch multimedia display has a center console touch pad with adjustable haptic feedback, with drag, pinch, stretch and double-tap functions.

The cargo cover can fold in half, and fits under the rear storage panel with the spare tire, saving storage hassles.

A snazzy F Sport model also is offered, but it's more of a body paneling and interior trim kit, with no powertrain performance boost. It does come with stiffer spring rates, shock tower braces and performance dampers.

What Lexus says: "The NX is a recognition of the next wave of luxury buyers," said Brian Smith, Lexus vice president of marketing. "It is agile and athletic ... with an emphasis on styling and performance."

Shortcomings and compromises: The NX is a "tweener" that dimensionally fits between the BMW X1 and X3. That may mean either that Lexus has hit the sweet spot, or that no one will like it. The NX for the United States won't get some of the more advanced features that will be available in other markets, lest it encroach on RX sales.

The market: Lexus is using the NX's edgy, sculpted styling to try to attract younger buyers from the trendy German brands. Lexus expects the typical buyer to have a household income of $130,000. The model split is expected to be 90 percent turbo/10 percent hybrid.

The skinny: Lexus expects to sell 36,000 units a year, once the NX arrives in November. But Lexus had similarly modest ambitions for the RX when it went on sale. The hard part could be sharing NX allocations with the 80 other global markets that want it.

You can reach Mark Rechtin at [email protected]

http://www.autonews.com/article/20140706/OEM04/307079975/can-lexus-nx-hit-segments-sweet-spot
 

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I normally don't post non Ford/Lincoln related threads but I thought this was a rather interesting article. It's amazing to me on how the "NX" gets a pass for the Rav4 roots and the author saying 90% of the parts are different and the 10% it does share with the Rav4 is retooled for higher tolerances. Ford/Lincoln has to constantly justify the differences between the Escape/MKC but Lexus gets no slack.
 

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Is possible that the difference between the Escape and the MKC is wider than the difference between the RAV4 and the (ugly, very ugly) NX. But the journalists and the "dont share the platform with Ford, Lincoln" FIN members will not speak of it.
 

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Every article I read on the review of the NX mentioned the Rav4 very minimally, stating that it only shares the front floor pan and front wheel structure. C&D mentioned they only share where it makes sense, everything else is different.
 

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Is possible that the difference between the Escape and the MKC is wider than the difference between the RAV4 and the (ugly, very ugly) NX. But the journalists and the "dont share the platform with Ford, Lincoln" FIN members will not speak of it.
afaik
FLincMoCo has not (yet) provided an MKC for FiN to testdrive**
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I haven't seen verbiage from FLincMoCo emphasizing the MKC's structural differences from the Escape
like that other "L Brand" provided to Automotive News


** I hope circumstances come-thru for me to drive one next month
 

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afaik
FLincMoCo has not (yet) provided an MKC for FiN to testdrive**
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I haven't seen verbiage from FLincMoCo emphasizing the MKC's structural differences from the Escape
like that other "L Brand" provided to Automotive News


** I hope circumstances come-thru for me to drive one next month
Maybe Lincoln is trying to avoid the direct comparison while Lexus is meeting the question head on? Or maybe the media simply doesn't care in Lincoln's case.
 

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Every article I read on the review of the NX mentioned the Rav4 very minimally, stating that it only shares the front floor pan and front wheel structure. C&D mentioned they only share where it makes sense, everything else is different.
sure, both vehicles look different but the NX looks really bad! Can't believe the Rav-4 is the prettier one
 

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FLincMoCo has not (yet) provided an MKC for FiN to testdrive**
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I haven't seen verbiage from FLincMoCo emphasizing the MKC's structural differences from the Escape
like that other "L Brand" provided to Automotive News


** I hope circumstances come-thru for me to drive one next month
Lincoln should do that, what about something like this for the X. The new MKX is 90 different from the Edge although it would share all the tech (something the NX and the Rav-4 don't do)
 

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I've read the MotorTrend, Automobile, and Autoblog reviews on the NX. They all seem to be let down by driving dynamics and power. It sounds like the MKC has the edge!
 

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I've read the MotorTrend, Automobile, and Autoblog reviews on the NX. They all seem to be let down by driving dynamics and power. It sounds like the MKC has the edge!
Their 2.0 turbo comes in at 235hp and 258lb-ft, less than the base MKC! I'm curious to see how the two engines stack up in the area of NVH.
 

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You can say that again! I think that Toyota as a whole, Lexus included has the worst designs on the road!!



MKC looks 5 years old compared to that.

Lincoln needs to be doing what Lexus is doing: push the boundaries of design to get noticed in these crowded segments.
 

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The MKC is very classy and modern looking compared to the NX.

I see the same triangle wedge profile of the Rav4 in the NX but nothing of that mentioned in any reviews of it that I read.
 

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MKC looks 5 years old compared to that.

Lincoln needs to be doing what Lexus is doing: push the boundaries of design to get noticed in these crowded segments.
The both look good imo and for very different reasons obviously. But looking back at Lincoln's design history, some of their best products were very understated in their elegance, i.e. Mark III, Continental, LS, Navigator, etc. Not including the GS, this NX is the only thing from Lexus I would spend my money on.
 

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That 1/4 shot of the NX is its best for the simple matter that it hides that god awful overhang on the nose, and that is taking into account that it shows that horrible grill more! In profile, I swear the wheels have been pulled toward each other by some sort of uglifying gravity. I haven't seen a car with worse proportions in a long time. People complain about the FWD nose and axle to dash ratios and this car is the poster child for awkward design.



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Understated luxury is what sells big with the 30+yo demographic in the largest auto markets. Which is why Audi and Buick do so well in China. And that trend is building in the US. But it is the sub-30 yo 'hey look at me' demographic that look for the car to give them attention.

But the question here is will the sub 20 yo empty nesters really want a NX - 'sporty' entry luxury SUV - when they can spend the same money and get a 'sporty', entry luxury 3-Series, A3, ATS, IS, C-Class, GLA, etc.

I think the 'small' sport $25k SUV works as a city car for 20+ yo demographic. But once the entry price point hits $30k+, the younger buyers may opt more for a lower riding, sporty, luxury sedan, hatch, coupe. While the older 30+ yo with kid or empty nesters who want to downsize from the larger SUV they needed for the kids, will opt for a more mature feeling, comfortable, understated luxury SUV like MKC, with comfort features that pamper them, and offers a higher ride hight and better visibility than their bigger SUV or a compact luxury car.

The sporty luxury (Ford designed)Land Rover Evoque may be a good indicator of interest in a 'sport' SUV for the sub 30yo demographic.



Sales in the US spiked at 11k for 2013 and may hit 12k for 2014. Which would mean the sporty NX could be a more low volume luxury SUV than the more mass appeal MKC.

Which could be why Lexus has 36k as their high water mark, while Lincoln has capacity for 50k+ units of the MKC for the US and China.



Can't you see the Evoque hiding under the skin, in the alignment of every design element of the 2015 MKC??
 

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That 1/4 shot of the NX is its best for the simple matter that it hides that god awful overhang on the nose, and that is taking into account that it shows that horrible grill more! In profile, I swear the wheels have been pulled toward each other by some sort of uglifying gravity. I haven't seen a car with worse proportions in a long time. People complain about the FWD nose and axle to dash ratios and this car is the poster child for awkward design.

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Wow, how did they miss that giant nose overhang, that looks like it's been in an accident. But there is something weird about the wheels. First it's sitting too high off the wheels, or maybe they started the black wheel well trim too late, and it looks like the back wheel is too far forward.....I see the gravity/magnetic pull concept you are talking about, the rear wheel seems to move forward in the image throwing the back out of alignment.

Maybe it's because the rear wheel arch actually angles up toward the back, and the black trim never connects with the lower cladding. So the big thick black wheel arches just float.

But that makes for giant looking wheel arch openings at the top that get narrow at the bottom at the middle of the tire that's accentuated by the white paint, thats more prominent in the front than in the rear and another balance issue. Which also makes the wheels look way too small for the amount of black space.
 
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