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copied & stickied
this section may not get much more use​

ok, the fridgeline thread was my camel's straw
&
I wanna list Every Possible idea for what either platform might be good for
( assuming they're Not related ... for now )
here's a start

_______CD'7'_______|_______D6/CD6_______
ChinaTaurus("Florb")_________????
_____________________Aviator(MK†-replacement)
_____________________Conti
____________________.'midsize' 'sedan'
___something (that looks) like a small pickup



added to list from N.R.'s Reuter's link :thumb:

 

[2b2]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

crosspollinating the RUMOR/'musical factories' thread [oldQUOTE=2b2;456761...]

...(still) looking at comments elsewhere

,
imhO
the 2 BIG questions (which I don't see getting addressed) are
- A.M.P
- D6/CD6
ie
where will they be built?
will there be just one Norte America factory for each?
could they possibly be built together in one plant (so there could 1&half of each)?

and from reading else-elsewhere

my working hypothesis is the A.M.P will top-out with a Fusion-size replacement
&
the D6/CD6 will bottom-out with at least an MKZ-replacement if not all the way down (in size) to the S550 ...but... in addition to the expect Aviator, plus big and little 'brothers';
there could also be the Ranger & Bronco


NOT a serving suggestion, just an oldish chop

 

[SP1966]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

CD7 is going to be good for cheap volume with unseen corners cut.
CD6 is going to be a better effort at being competitive on the world stage.

The above is my guess just based on the idea that CD6 will prop up the Continental while CD7 is for the more mundane volume market China Taurus. Of course I could be completely wrong, not that I'd admit it.

 

[DetroitBORG]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

Pretty sure CD6 is just a beefier CD4 for Explorer and Aviator. Like D3 vs D4.

The MKZ, MKC, and MKX will likely remain tied to Ford development well into the next decade, but we will see two new vehicles, only one of which is using CD6 (Aviator). I think this transition to a Lincoln platform will be far less dramatic than a magic all-new platform and probably will involve repurposing a Ford platform with more Lincoln exclusive tech and engineering (advanced AWD, Lincoln specific suspension components, unique engines). This is going to be a very organic and cost effective transition, it takes FAR more than 5-Billion over 5 years to start anything from scratch let alone rebuild an entire luxury brand with all-new models, dealerships, and markets.

Anyway, that's just my extrapolation based on how Ford and Lincoln develop products based on longterm engineering platforms and Lincoln's budget I've also seen how this rumor spread and twisted from its original source which said this was a platform specific to Explorer and Aviator.

Ford just streamlined it's global C/D platforms and they are still not done launching new products based on CD4. So CD6 must be a derivative needed for heavier SUVs and one of the reasons Explorer is many years behind other C/D cars at Ford.

 

[2b2]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

^ I'm much more in agreement with SP's view, Borg...
...could just be I LIKE it better
& hope my "CD7" being another way of saying CD4+3 didn't confuse anyone

CD7 is going to be good for cheap volume with unseen corners cut.
CD6 is going to be a better effort at being competitive on the world stage.

The above is my guess just based on the idea that CD6 will prop up the Continental while CD7 is for the more mundane volume market China Taurus. Of course I could be completely wrong, not that I'd admit it.

now I'm wondering if having 2 versions of this new platform, ie D6 and CD6, are real and not just mis-statements...
...hoping
D6 = TaurusReplacement** & larger (includes Aviators)
CD6 = MKZ and smaller (includes MKXs)
tho
guess it'd make more sense for
D6 = Rwd/r-Awd
CD6 = Fwd/f-Awd

** Not China Taurus = "CD7" (florb)
also
thinking of Our replacement as being a bit like a CLS with different graphics - will be very interesting if/when un-identifiable testcars show up

 

[falcon lover]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

I doubt Lincoln will have its own platform. Ford (Ford Motor Company), is reducing the number of platforms. In fact, the next midsize cars will be based on a streched new C cars (Focus) platform. So, the next Focus, Escape-Kuga-MKC, C-Max-Grand C-Max, Fusion-Mondeo-MKZ,Edge-MKX, S-Max-Galaxy and Explorer-Aviator will share, eventually, the same basic platform with heavy modifications and adaptations to each vehicle. Maybe the smaller cars (Fiesta, B-Max, Ka-Figo) will keep its own platform for a while... but not much. Ford is going to the "one-flexible-platform-for all" VW model.

 

[ehaase]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

^ I'm much more in agreement with SP's view, Borg...
...could just be I LIKE it better

You just like it better. You passionately want Ford to elevate Lincoln to the level of a real luxury brand, but it probably won't. But Ford will make big profits off Lincoln.

 

[nruggiero]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

You just like it better. You passionately want Ford to elevate Lincoln to the level of a real luxury brand, but it probably won't. But Ford will make big profits off Lincoln.

Ford could have justified making Lincoln a true luxury brand 25 years ago. That would have been the appropriate time to take action. If things at Ford and GM back then were different, Lexus probably would be in the same shape as Acura and Infiniti are today, and the Germans would be fighting the Detroit brands for luxury market share in certain parts of the world.

The luxury field is just so saturated right now. It's hard to justify such a gigantic investment when the demand is little. The world does not really need another luxury car brand. I suppose Lincoln will always be on standby just in case something happens to the established marques.

 

[2b2]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

...If things at Ford and GM back then were different, Lexus probably would be in the same shape as Acura and Infiniti are today...

:joyous:
I hafta just SAVOUR that for a moment

:thumb:

...The luxury field is just so saturated right now. It's hard to justify such a gigantic investment when the demand is little. The world does not really need another luxury car brand. I suppose Lincoln will always be on standby just in case something happens to the established marques.

borrowing from the MercuryFan(atic)s'Creed

Never forget, Never forgive, and
Never EVER Give UP!
​

...You passionately want Ford to elevate Lincoln to the level of a real luxury brand...

like the Over $200k crowd??
actually
- I've ranted a number times about keeping Lincoln LESS than 6-digits
- really just want Lincoln to get the ****-outta Mercury's way

I doubt Lincoln will have its own platform...

...Maybe the smaller cars (Fiesta, B-Max, Ka-Figo) will keep its own platform for a while... but not much. Ford is going to the "one-flexible-platform-for all" VW model.

just-imhO, D6/CD6 will replace larger & lux-er vehicles: Z-Conti(/"T" if it survives)-Explorer/Aviator
and A.M.P will go down from SOME midsizers to U.S B-class
(leaving smaller/emerging-market-B's
& A-class(?) on whatever's cheapest)
tho
D6/CD6 and A.M.P might end up as close 'cousins'


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -


from playing around in the blogs and Mission...

...possible, modular,
Variants of D6/CD6
known-assumed
D6awd
D6fwd
D6rwd ...could there also be
a separate
D6electro
& if there's any relation between D6 and T6 trucks?
D6t

 

[2b2]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

a rather 'odd' article and resultant GMI thread about making Corvette a Brand/suite of vehicles,
OR is it about making Cadillacs based on a Vette/VetteBrand??

either way, might offer some ideas for sport-oriented D6CD6 variants...
...liberally swiping:

"BOXSTER"
"CAYMAN" would be the "sub" RWD 2+2 sedan
"911" 2+2 Coupe styling
"Macan"

"Panamera"/"6-Series" 4 Door Grand Coupe
"Cayenne"/"X5" (5-Pass) and "X7" (7-Pass)

 

[2b2]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

ref: the original "D6" article - Reuters ...iirc
&
made a quickie diagram

&
the start of a chart:
________D6/large_________wlb
Conti______________________122.
Mark/Tbird_____ Aviator______118./120.
Z2___________. AvSport_____ 114./116.
______________ Bronco?________./ ?

______CD6/medium________
___________Edge3(China)________/ ?
_______________MKX___________./114.
Z?/Fusion?______Edge________112./112.
LSc________________________111./
LSs________X-Sport(Macan)___111./109.
MusStang___________________108.

__________A.M.P__________
Fusion?
Focus
Escort
Fiesta

&
came across a new-to-me article-blog/site about the D6cD6 side of the issue:

...Following this model (Lotus’s Variable Vehicle Architecture), it would be possible to replace every current Lincoln with a VVA-style vehicle, and add a few more. The Mustang would remain rear-drive, shift to aluminum, and have a large percentage of common parts although remaining unique, while Ford expanded its lineup with a few low-volume vehicles of its own.

If, as TrueCar CEO John Krafcik says, current U.S. auto sale numbers suggest that a “balanced” automaker needs to sell 30% of its volume in cars, 30% in sport utilities and vans, 20% in pickups and 20% in premium vehicles, the D6 platform can come none too soon to Lincoln. Ford is overrepresented in pickups, and wildly underrepresented in the premium segment. It needs a healthy Lincoln in order to have the cash flow in order to invest in future products elsewhere. Falling gas prices are fanning F-Series sales, but too large of a reliance on pickups for its revenue would place the automaker in the same precarious position it found itself in the last major market correction. It must quickly balance its portfolio. The only question is: Is D6 the answer?

​

also
saw a post:

"Guesses for Ford Performance (lineup)
as we know it now:
Focus RS
Mustang GT350
Ford GT
Raptor

Future additions:
Fusion ST
Mustang GT500
Fiesta RS

That leaves us with 7...with 5 more possible..."

​

that has me think '5' is practically enough for another Brand

Z, C, X, Av, __ ...

 

[2b2]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

just saw elsewhere

Posted Today, 05:53 PM
" CD6 is the new platform of cars coming from ford. It will be the Explorer a new Lincoln yet to be named and a few other cars. This will not be in 2016 but it will be the next big thing launched by ford. I am currently working on a portion of the platform for my engineering firm near detroit. It's gunna be a great thing...

... a new Lincoln that has yet to have a name released even to the teams working on it "
​

 

[Bloggin]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

just saw elsewhere

Posted Today, 05:53 PM
" CD6 is the new platform of cars coming from ford. It will be the Explorer a new Lincoln yet to be named and a few other cars. This will not be in 2016 but it will be the next big thing launched by ford. I am currently working on a portion of the platform for my engineering firm near detroit. It's gunna be a great thing...

... a new Lincoln that has yet to have a name released even to the teams working on it "
​

Sounds like we are still talking about the New Explorer and New Lincoln Aviator(remember, Ford just re-certified/registered that name) SUV. Other vehicles could be a new Flex and Lincoln MKT(needs new name) CUVs.

 

[Logans Run]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

Forget the Flex and MKT...I'm guessing Bronco, Ranger...and new Falcon.

 

[2b2]

Re: CD4+3(=7) VS D6cD6: best guesses

new speculationizing (wip)

CD4+3(=7)
Continental (BedRock)
ABB-Taurus (China)

then/2018...

D6 (med-large) (MAP-Wayne)
Ranger
Aviator/Explorer/Territory**
Conti/Thunderbird/Falcon

cD6 (med-small) (BedRock)
Bronco (maybe nextgen Troller?)
(whitespace S-Max-class on steroids?)**
LincStang(s)/MusStang

A.M.P (small-med) (multi plants, global)
EcoSport to Edge(/X?)
Fiesta to Fusion(/Z?)
most/all Mercurys​

OR...

MAP-Wayne
cD6 (med-small)
Bronco (maybe nextgen Troller?)
(whitespace S-Max-class on steroids?)**
D6 (med-large)
Ranger
Aviator/Explorer/Territory**

BedRock
cD6 (med-small)
LincStang(s)/MusStang
D6 (med-large)
Conti/Thunderbird/Falcon

multi plants, global A.M.P (small-med)
EcoSport to Edge(/X?)
Fiesta to Fusion(/Z?)
most/all Mercurys


** I don't include the Everest is ANY of these, thinking that'll stay a RotW model

 

[nruggiero]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

The possibilities are endless. LOL

Wayne could also build more F-150s along with a truck-based Aviator (Navigator Jr.).

MAP: Ranger/F-100, Bronco, Aviator, F-150

 

[2b2]

Re: CD4+3(=7) VS D6cD6: best guesses

^ yeahBUT
imhO they're realizing the DAY is Coming

when only the obscenely rich and companies with a real USE (& write-off) for über-trucks will buy them
&
a real person wouldn't consider an F-150 anymore than buying an 18-wheeler For FUN

 

[wingsnut]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

Ford could have justified making Lincoln a true luxury brand 25 years ago. That would have been the appropriate time to take action. If things at Ford and GM back then were different, Lexus probably would be in the same shape as Acura and Infiniti are today, and the Germans would be fighting the Detroit brands for luxury market share in certain parts of the world.

The luxury field is just so saturated right now. It's hard to justify such a gigantic investment when the demand is little. The world does not really need another luxury car brand. I suppose Lincoln will always be on standby just in case something happens to the established marques.

Lincoln is an established luxury marque and has been for longer than most luxury brands. Their lack of compelling overall product in recent years does not alter that, although it has been tarnished a bit.

I think there is plenty of room to grow in the luxury segment.

 

[2b2]

Re: CD4+3(=7) vs D6cD6 vs A.M.P: best guesses

wip...
MAP-Wayne
cD6 (med-small)
Bronco (maybe nextgen Troller?)
(whitespace S-Max-class on steroids?)**
D6 (med-large)
Ranger
Aviator/Explorer/Territory**

BedRock
cD6 (med-small)
LincStang(s)/MusStang
D6 (med-large)
Conti/Thunderbird/Falcon

multi plants, global A.M.P (small-med)
EcoSport to Edge(/X?)
Fiesta to Fusion(/Z?)
most/all Mercurys


** I don't include the Everest is ANY of these, thinking that'll stay a RotW model

swipe ... for more/RotW A.M.P

Ford develops a B-SUV to replace the Ecosport in 1st world markets...
Ford then uses B-SUV to spawn a New compact pick up to replace the Courier in foreign markets.

this pickup, would be a hybrid, using the Experience of the Unibody on the transit to spawn a unibody Pickup with a separate cargo box. this would allow different lengths of bed, and ... would share styling and everything from the [B-or-C]-pillar forward.

Maybe.​

 

[ThomasWC]

Re: CD7(4+3) VS D6/CD6: best guesses

Lincoln is an established luxury marque and has been for longer than most luxury brands. Their lack of compelling overall product in recent years does not alter that, although it has been tarnished a bit.

I think there is plenty of room to grow in the luxury segment.

I remember a time and have heard many people say that both Lincoln and Mercury were once a force to be reckoned with.