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I hope that the deck-lid (the fact that it has one) makes it to production.
 

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It does not matter if Conti will be nearly identical to concept, as some will claim it is not close enough. A subjective matter this is.
It's not subjective, you can measure the concept...if they let you...to find out the physical differences. This is common practice, the concept lies which is why I can't stand them but understand their PR importance. The Continental shares literally 0% with the production car, not a single dimension or part is the same. The design idea is there, but the final product is not at all.
 

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You and I have seen the same uncovered prototypes and there are big inescapable differences from the concept. Such as the MUCH wider rear fenders on the concept to the sticky-outty taillights, taller roofline, and a 'prestige gap' that is half the size of the concept's already small gap.

This is normal, anybody who thinks a concept represents the final car hasn't been around this business very long. But less observant people will also just see a similar design but will never see the cars side by side so it ultimately doesn't matter.
 

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You and I have seen the same uncovered prototypes and there are big inescapable differences from the concept. Such as the MUCH wider rear fenders on the concept to the sticky-outty taillights, taller roofline, and a 'prestige gap' that is half the size of the concept's already small gap.

This is normal, anybody who thinks a concept represents the final car hasn't been around this business very long. But less observant people will also just see a similar design but will never see the cars side by side so it ultimately doesn't matter.
was going ask something else, Borg, but your edit clarified :thumb:
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Wonder when/which model was the last time any Public got to SEE a concept side by side with the production version??

I have the impression today's FoMoCo won't let this happen
 

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Rmc is still having probs posting so I'm playing mailman....

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Thanks for sharing your thoughts I'm hoping Lincoln decides to bring the Continental Concept out here to the San Francisco International Auto Show in two weeks so I can finally see it in person as I'm sure even the best pictures don't do it justice.
Yeah, it really does have a presence in person (at least to me) that yes, you can see in pictures, but in person it's just magnified. Hopefully that presence translates over to the production model.

I hope that the deck-lid (the fact that it has one) makes it to production.
Unfortunately, on the mules we've seen, it looks like it'll have a more traditional trunk lid. I agree it looks great and is unique, but reality is, a regular opening is more practical. I would've liked to have seen a sort of wraparound/clamshell trunklid like the MKC's liftgate where the opening would wrap around the taillights to create the cleaner look (no cutline within the taillights), while retaining the larger opening.

You and I have seen the same uncovered prototypes and there are big inescapable differences from the concept. Such as the MUCH wider rear fenders on the concept to the sticky-outty taillights, taller roofline, and a 'prestige gap' that is half the size of the concept's already small gap.

This is normal, anybody who thinks a concept represents the final car hasn't been around this business very long. But less observant people will also just see a similar design but will never see the cars side by side so it ultimately doesn't matter.
What "sticky out taillights?" You realize the test mules spied had camouflage/fake taillight graphics on them right? And higher roofline? I'm not seeing it. I'll give you the prestige gap and fenders.

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Also to note, there's a chance I may be going back to this show sometime this week with my parents. If I am able to go back, I'll try to look closer at the Continental and also the CT6. And maybe try to talk to the Lincoln rep to see what response has been like. And if possible, ask about opening it up. I thought it was weird that they had it closed so you couldn't see the interior. Unless they have multiple concepts, and this particular one doesn't have a full interior or something.
 

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...I thought it was weird that they had it closed so you couldn't see the interior. Unless they have multiple concepts, and this particular one doesn't have a full interior or something.
there WAS talk about a nother, no-interior version back around debut time


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if you try to 'get a read' on the Conti's size, be as careful/sneaky as possible.
At another autoshow, NAIAS iirc, one member was 'caught' trying to use a laser measurer thingie :thumb:
 

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You and I have seen the same uncovered prototypes and there are big inescapable differences from the concept. Such as the MUCH wider rear fenders on the concept to the sticky-outty taillights, taller roofline, and a 'prestige gap' that is half the size of the concept's already small gap.

This is normal, anybody who thinks a concept represents the final car hasn't been around this business very long. But less observant people will also just see a similar design but will never see the cars side by side so it ultimately doesn't matter.
so, where are those spy pics of the uncovered prototypes!! haha
 

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It does not matter if Conti will be nearly identical to concept, as some will claim it is not close enough. A subjective matter this is.
True enough, BUT in the Conti's case the Concept is a $150,000 wannabe car whereas the production Conti will be a $40,000-$50,000 car and will look like a $40,000 - $50,000 car >:)
 

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True enough, BUT in the Conti's case the Concept is a $150,000 wannabe car whereas the production Conti will be a $40,000-$50,000 car and will look like a $40,000 - $50,000 car >:)
That is quite 'subjective' of you.
See, I thought it was a $100,000 wannabe car, when instead it will look like an $85K car in reality, yet only cost $75K in full trim.>:)
 

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Thanks, RMC, for the pics.....

As much as that new Continental isn't my cup of tea (in terms of FWD), I still want to see that car in person.......


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The Chinese Taurus has a 198.4 ovl - 120 wlb. The Continental will likely have a longer rear section than Taurus however which should get it very close to the CT6 in overall length. The CT6 has a longer Wheelbase which is a characteristic of RWD and the 'luxury gap' between the front-door and wheel arch which the production Continental does not have. The Concept is also a complete work of fiction, none of the production car is actually in there so they lowered the roof, lengthened and widened the wheelbase, which creates an illusion of a longer, lower, and wider car than production. That's how most concepts based on production cars work, they change proportions and surfacing details but stay true to the core design. The idea is to generate attention and energy around a car's design which they wouldn't be able to do based on the production car alone. Lincoln has been successful with this formula so far and expect it to continue.

The CT6 is reported to be 201" long!


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Originally PMed by rmc523 :thumb:​


Update after I went back to the show a second time.

Here are some more pictures from the Ford display....I was too lazy to crop them, sorry haha

They had this yellow GT350 right up front:



Also, I completely missed this white Focus RS last time I was there. It was locked.




Finally, here's a collection of pics of the new Super Duty:




Headlight detail


Taillight closeup


Closeup of the Ford badge in the grille with the camera and camera washer (that little slot shape to the right)


Here's the fender vent I mentioned in the opening post.


I thought this FORD detail on the tow mirrors (likely the same on the F-150) was nice:
 

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Originally PMed (again) by rmc523 re-:thumb:


I have some more notes on Lincoln as well.

I unfortunately didn't take the opportunity to talk with the Lincoln rep about the Continental (and I wish I had), but I did talk to him a fair amount about the MKX and Black Label. I was impressed with the added "features" that come with Black Label vehicles....and by features I mean the extra perks. Such as them coming to you with color samples, leather samples, wood samples, etc to build your vehicle rather than a typical dealer experience. Also things like the picking up the car and bringing a loaner when service is needed, as well as free car washes anytime, one free full detail a year. The Culinary Collection sounds interesting, but something I probably wouldn't end up using much, but could be interesting to try.

Moving on to the color combos Black Label offers. I like the options, but I don't at the same time. As some of you may or may not know, Black Label vehicles have certain interior themes and exterior colors that correspond with the interior themes. I think it's nice that they have themes, and realize that that makes it easier for them to produce (for instance they can produce theme "1" with the only unique part being the exterior color and options), however, I'm a little disappointed by the limitations I found in the Black Label brochure the rep gave me. Now, maybe I’m not fully understanding it, and perhaps the program is more flexible than the brochure leads me to believe. By limitations, I’m meaning color and interior combinations.

They have 6 themes – Thoroughbred, The Muse, Center Stage, Modern Heritage, Indulgence, and Oasis. Thoroughbred and The Muse are only on MKX, while Center Stage is only available on the MKZ and MKC. The remaining 3 are available on both. Furthermore, Center Stage on the MKZ has a different wood than the MKC. On Modern Heritage (my preference of the available themes, which features a black dash and crème color seats with red stitching and black seat accents), the MKZ and MKC get a fantastic looking black wood with silver strakes in it. However, the MKX gets just a “piano black wood” that in the picture looks like a piece of black plastic. I find that extremely disappointing (maybe I’m hyped up about it because my preferred interior combo doesn’t have the wood I like available. And, for some reason, I can’t get “Notorious” blue on Modern Heritage on the MKX??? Why? Why should that matter? The MKZ and MKC both have “Notorious” blue available on the Modern Heritage. In fact, that blue color is available only on the C and Z Modern Heritage and C and Z Indulgence (a chocolate/brown theme). Now maybe it has to do with the fact that the MKX is new, so they’re not able to offer certain things yet? But it just seemed like there’s some odd omissions and limited options. Maybe I’m overreacting, I don’t know….

This first image shows the 8 different Black Label exterior colors.


Here are the “Thoroughbred,” “The Muse,” and “Center Stage” themes:


Here are the “Modern Heritage,” “Indulgence,” and “Oasis” themes:


To me, a unique program like this should allow full customization – and by that I mean you can offer the “suggested” themes the designers come up with, but also allow a customer to choose whatever leather, wood, and color they want, rather than limiting them to predetermined combos.
 

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...To me, a unique program like this should allow full customization – and by that I mean you can offer the “suggested” themes the designers come up with, but also allow a customer to choose whatever leather, wood, and color they want, rather than limiting them to predetermined combos.
we've had many convos @ FiN about^^
(I have a fixation on [WhiteLabel] for that...

...easiest links iirc:
LINCOLN [Black Label]...what is it, what SHOULD it be? thread
What should be the MKX's LOWest & HIGHest TrimLevel? POLL

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I'm trying to get IN-Person opinions on the [BL] "Crystal Silver" paint
esp. versus Ingot Silver
DID they have it on a vehicle (or have you seen it elsewhere), Rmc???

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Originally PMed (again) by rmc523 re-:thumb:


I have some more notes on Lincoln as well.

I unfortunately didn't take the opportunity to talk with the Lincoln rep about the Continental (and I wish I had), but I did talk to him a fair amount about the MKX and Black Label. I was impressed with the added "features" that come with Black Label vehicles....and by features I mean the extra perks. Such as them coming to you with color samples, leather samples, wood samples, etc to build your vehicle rather than a typical dealer experience. Also things like the picking up the car and bringing a loaner when service is needed, as well as free car washes anytime, one free full detail a year. The Culinary Collection sounds interesting, but something I probably wouldn't end up using much, but could be interesting to try.

Moving on to the color combos Black Label offers. I like the options, but I don't at the same time. As some of you may or may not know, Black Label vehicles have certain interior themes and exterior colors that correspond with the interior themes. I think it's nice that they have themes, and realize that that makes it easier for them to produce (for instance they can produce theme "1" with the only unique part being the exterior color and options), however, I'm a little disappointed by the limitations I found in the Black Label brochure the rep gave me. Now, maybe I’m not fully understanding it, and perhaps the program is more flexible than the brochure leads me to believe. By limitations, I’m meaning color and interior combinations.

They have 6 themes – Thoroughbred, The Muse, Center Stage, Modern Heritage, Indulgence, and Oasis. Thoroughbred and The Muse are only on MKX, while Center Stage is only available on the MKZ and MKC. The remaining 3 are available on both. Furthermore, Center Stage on the MKZ has a different wood than the MKC. On Modern Heritage (my preference of the available themes, which features a black dash and crème color seats with red stitching and black seat accents), the MKZ and MKC get a fantastic looking black wood with silver strakes in it. However, the MKX gets just a “piano black wood” that in the picture looks like a piece of black plastic. I find that extremely disappointing (maybe I’m hyped up about it because my preferred interior combo doesn’t have the wood I like available. And, for some reason, I can’t get “Notorious” blue on Modern Heritage on the MKX??? Why? Why should that matter? The MKZ and MKC both have “Notorious” blue available on the Modern Heritage. In fact, that blue color is available only on the C and Z Modern Heritage and C and Z Indulgence (a chocolate/brown theme). Now maybe it has to do with the fact that the MKX is new, so they’re not able to offer certain things yet? But it just seemed like there’s some odd omissions and limited options. Maybe I’m overreacting, I don’t know….

This first image shows the 8 different Black Label exterior colors.


Here are the “Thoroughbred,” “The Muse,” and “Center Stage” themes:


Here are the “Modern Heritage,” “Indulgence,” and “Oasis” themes:


To me, a unique program like this should allow full customization – and by that I mean you can offer the “suggested” themes the designers come up with, but also allow a customer to choose whatever leather, wood, and color they want, rather than limiting them to predetermined combos.
I hate how they force you to pick a color and accent, I wish you could mix and match like BMW allows you to. I think that dark purple interior would look great with a nice rich wood trim instead of being forced to have aluminum.
 
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Originally PM'ed by rmc523 in Andrew's general direction...

Here's another post for the thread (have I mentioned how annoying this is? haha)

Yes, that's exactly my point - I don't like the idea of being forced to choose one whole theme and not being able to change it to your preferences. I mean, I could understand having "recommended" Black Label themes where the designers paired their preferred combination of materials, but give me the full choice of customization for Black Label (while the regular trims can retain the traditional "here's what we offer, pick one," approach). Hopefully that's something that changes down the road.
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