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not JUST because:
...I wish there was a unique drivetrain option they could give Lincoln to set them apart. All-electric? Some sort of extended-range hybrid? There would be lots of marketing power in offering a Lincoln-exclusive drivetrain series (akin to Black Label), I just don't know what exactly that could be!
I *was* already thinking about it....
_____phase one_____
....while obsessing about The RETURN,
had to consider my (mere) fixation with
-- a mkZENergi &
-- updating the MKZ's atkinson engine to 2.3
so
assuming the same partial-hp limitation all the current Hybrids & Energis use
( 2.0 Atkinson .= 141hp
electric motor .= 118hp
BUT they total = 188hp, NOT 259 ! )

scaling up to the 2.3-Aikins = 161hp
so
same formula & e-motors = 202½hp, a 'nice' Hybrid upgrade
but
adding FocusElectric's 143hp e-motor = 220½hp, might be interesting for the MKZ-Energi? ...to make it even more special than the Z-Hybrid??
& what about bigger batteries than the Fusion's?!


( thinking of this topic as more specific, near-term (and less 'grandiose'?) than Mission:Lincoln....
....tho could be merged...
)


_____phase two_____
see the EB-Plug-In rant in The RETURN
 

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_____phase one, part B_____

this is where it gets serious, imho = Lincoln's next step (pre-D6)
& I'm a bit lost - - *had* thought:
MKEnergi & MKElectric (5-24-2013, Mision:Lincoln post#373) = phase 3?
but
now thinking
the MKEs need a bit more specialness since ~year&half later we don't seem any closer to them... & even my AMP/Mercurys have progressed to a step above my old MKEs.
possibly it'd be better for Lincoln to concentrate on larger vehicles? first?
so
MKS(wic)••
with ultra-refined styling, not 'controversial', just Gorgeous
enlarged CD4; w-i-d-t-h plus more than 3" wlb increase (more than Any Taurus!)
make every/Only non-structural panels out of aluminum - just so it can go down a regular assembly line
SuperEnergi Virtual-Awd EB-plug-in (and a BEV??)
all other drivetrains = AWD, with-or-withOUT the 9-speed
& close-to-individual options check-list instead of packages
idea
create mini-suites of closely related features and DO AWAY WITH TRIM-LEVELS (other than [BL])​
and, just for me, Keep horizontal slats in the new grille for the FIRST Year = I am SO tired of a patchwork lineup-style & thought/hoped FLincMoCo was just about to CURE that
ALL ^that^ would NOT disappoint Me!


•• imho "MARK" is UN-use-able for anything like it WAS so stick it on this
- as the Top of the MucK
? has there ever been a MARK 1 / MARK ONE? (other than the 1947 Lincoln-Continental Mark 1??
hmmm
could that even be an adequate way to "suggest" that the Continental is coming Next?
AND get RID of some of the DEBILITATING "mystery" that seems more'n'more like a bad DRUG habit to me!



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not showing base drivetrains, MKC & Z electrifieds use 118hp e-motor (as in the C-Max & Fusion), largers use 143hp (FocusElectric) - all on rearwheels except Navi
 

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since FLincMoCo has been intermittent with drivetrain differentiation,
+ putting a $10,000 drivetrain in a Focus(Electric)...



Originally Posted (this morning) by wescoent ...View Post @ GMI
Quote Z284ever
I don't know if you would call me a traditional Cadillac buyer or not, but I own a Cadillac. I didn't buy it because it was necessarily a Cadillac, I bought it because GM didn't have another, 5 passenger, manual trans, RWD car to sell me. I also bought it because of Sigma's excellent chassis dynamics. In addition, I also had $3500 in GM points to burn at the time. I'd love to replace it with a V Sport, and with GM's $8K in MSRP adjustment, it's a great value. No available stick though, and that's a problem for me.
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So, here's an important question. Take a Cadillac CTS-V Sport, add a stick, and set the price at $75,000. Then, take the exact same mechanicals, wrap it in Chevy sheetmetal, slap the bowtie on the grill, bolt a Chevelle SS badge on the back, and set the price at $50,000. Bearing in mind, that they're mechanically identical.

Which would you buy?

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edit: since
-- this is already a :stirpot: post
-- & I'm cranky with an upset tummy;
thought of a dialog at a Lincoln dealership:

ProductHost "Welcome to Lincoln, Sir-or-Madam!"
Guestomer "Thank you - pretty dealership."
ProductHost "Thank YOU!"
Guestomer "I'm here to peruse your Plug-In vehicles"
ProductHost "THIS is our MKZ-Hybrid!"
Guestomer "Lovely - but we've *had* hybrids and want to upgrade to a Plug-In - which should suit our needs even better."
ProductHost "Lincoln doesn't offer any...yet..."
Guestomer "REALLY? Since Ford has 2(TWO), I thought Lincoln would at least have 4(FOUR)."
 

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continued...

wescoent
Let's dial it back a little. Let's say the Cadillac offered about 10% more in performance metrics (0-60, roadholding, quietness, etc...), but still had the 50% premium...​
Z284ever
That would be different. A 10% performance increase or 10% something increase would be a better value...
...under those conditions, it wouldn't matter to me if the more expensive one was a Cadillac or MB or BMW or Audi... ...What the car delivers to me is more important than brandishing it's brand name...​


- - & borrowing/re-purposing - - - -

I,2b2 say eventually "Cadillac (or Lincoln) needs customers, past present and future to buy ... simply because it is a Cadillac."
THO "until Cadillac can ratchet up it's snob factor, they need" customers to buy due to WHAT is materially offered
+
"The flip side being....you(who) own a Mercedes. Are you loyal to them? If Cadillac does what you say they need to do, will you buy a Cadillac? And if you do,will you have shown your own lack of loyalty to Mercedes Benz? And if so, what does that say about the Mercedes brand?"


all ^this^ pertaining specifically to FLincMoCo using everything in the BlueOval repertoire(or partsbin) to 'assemble' Lincoln offerings that are measureably a cut-above any Fords
and in this thread's case
using eLectrified Lincolns as cutting-edge HALO vehicles
 

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also in GM / GMI news is the nextgen Volt
which, according to a video I can't see just now, will get a bigger battery among other improvements contributing to a possibly 60-70 mile e-range
MechEng said:
...the next gen Volt battery basically has the same battery capacity as the 2015 Spark EV (Same cell format and same number of cells). The Spark EV got a whole new battery for the 2015 model year using LG Chem cells.

The (current) 2015 Volt basically gets an EPA rated 40 miles EV on a 17.1KWh battery (11.4KWh usable).[note GM did not re-certify the 2015 Volt EV range with the battery size increase] The 2015 Spark EV is ~19KWh (15.2KWh usable)...
plus
the other day I found a ConsumerGuide article explaining e-mpg:
"
a gallon of gas contains the same amount of energy as 33.7 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity"
so
here's my current thinking for Lincoln Plug-Ins' batteries
MKC = 15.2kWh (twice the Ford Energis')
MKZ = 19.1 (half way to...)
MKX = 23 ( = the Focus Electric)
MKS(wic) = 33.7**
MKT/XLG = ^ditto
and for Rwd-based vehhicles with electrics only on the front wheels
Navi = 15.2-to-33.7
Conti = ^ditto
Aviator = ^ditto
AviatorSport = Ø(E-wd) or 7.6 or 15.2
LincStang = ditto^
...the short wheelbase AvSport and LincStang(s) keep battery size DOWN to keep weight DOWN
in keeping with their 'prime directive'...


** imho it would make a big(ger) impact for 'Mer'can owners to be able to think/talk about their cars' e-capacity as "gallons of electricity"
ESP. when looking at the regenerative-braking "re-filling" their e-tank
& for pure BEVs
maybe keep their batteries as multiples of 33.7 kWh??
67.4 kWh = 2 gallons of electricity
84¼ kWh = 2 & a half g/e's
101.1 kWh = 3 g/e's

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MechTec said:
...Also I disagree with your claim of the need of a 60 - 70 mile range. What would be the point of that? Now you are spending thousands of dollars for less than 5% of the target demographic. The cost benefit just isn't there. Plus now you are just carrying around a range extender that you will almost never use. Sure there are people that have greater than a 50 mile commute. But they are a very small minority. The majority of people do not...
just-imho ^that^ simply does Not apply to Lux e-customers.
What I've heard them say(brag) the most is about how rarely they buy gas

it's really about one-upmanship
aferall
how many people really use 300hp - 400hp - 500hp - 600hp . . .
yet think Luxo Brands hafta offer that
 

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also in GM / GMI news is the nextgen Volt
which, according to a video I can't see just now, will get a bigger battery among other improvements contributing to a possibly 60-70 mile e-range
plus
the other day I found a ConsumerGuide article explaining e-mpg:
"
a gallon of gas contains the same amount of energy as 33.7 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity"
so
here's my current thinking for Lincoln Plug-Ins' batteries
MKC = 15.2kWh (twice the Ford Energis')
MKZ = 19.1 (half way to...)
MKX = 23 ( = the Focus Electric)
MKS(wic) = 33.7**
MKT/XLG = ^ditto
and for Rwd-based vehhicles with electrics only on the front wheels
Navi = 15.2-to-33.7
Conti = ^ditto
Aviator = ^ditto
AviatorSport = Ø(E-wd) or 7.6 or 15.2
LincStang = ditto^
...the short wheelbase AvSport and LincStang(s) keep battery size DOWN to keep weight DOWN
in keeping with their 'prime directive'...


** imho it would make a big(ger) impact for 'Mer'can owners to be able to think/talk about their cars' e-capacity as "gallons of electricity"
ESP. when looking at the regenerative-braking "re-filling" their e-tank
& for pure BEVs
maybe keep their batteries as multiples of 33.7 kWh??
67.4 kWh = 2 gallons of electricity
84¼ kWh = 2 & a half g/e's
101.1 kWh = 3 g/e's

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from GMI's Volt thread
just-imho ^that^ simply does Not apply to Lux e-customers.
What I've heard them say(brag) the most is about how rarely they buy gas

it's really about one-upmanship
aferall
how many people really use 300hp - 400hp - 500hp - 600hp . . .
yet think Luxo Brands hafta offer that
Agreed somewhat. The New Volvo XC90 is getting rave reviews for the hybrid model. Combined has 400 hp and has an all electric range of 20-25 miles. Ford needs to compete against that. New black label Aviator. Honest 25 mile all electric range and combined over 400 hp. Most people would be quite happy with that combo.
 

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Welcome to the forum, msm859 :joyous:

I haven't been following other brands as closely as I'd like
but
one of the features from Volvo that strongly impressed me is their driver-selectable modes


Volvo-V60-Plug-in-Hybrid thread


believe this driver-engagement can lead to improvements separate-from-&-added-to hardware advencements


re: range
just-imho, the mfgs' best efforts so far have been largely "a priori"/theoretical best-guesses
&/+
as drivers' expectations & practices change,
and the infrastructure develops,
believe we may see multiple "un-imagined" preferences appear from the real-world.

one reason^ I hope FLincMoCo will do more "almost-experimentation in production" with much more variety than 1 BEV drivetrain + what's basically (afaik) ONE system in hybrid & plug-in forms.
My favorite fixation is with "Virtual-Awd"/thru-the-road drivetrains = petrol on one pair of wheels, electric on the other


nextday edit
Autoline video Link: XC90 discussion start around 40:00
they mention the hybrid drivetrain, which is Top End Only, is a $17-19k upcharge (dunno what else is in the package...other than an Orrefors crystal shiftknob)
 

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a sorta "Did - Did NOT - Did - Did NOT" article,
just to raise a timeframe question...

Tesla Motors: Model 3 Planned (ie DELAYED AGAIN) For 2018
(Update – Tesla Re-Confirms 2017 Production)

InsideEVs

6 hours ago by Eric Loveday

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Update
(June 22nd, 11:59 am): Ricardo Reyes, Tesla’s Communication Chief has now tweeted an update saying the Model 3 will still “begin production in 2017“. Given how we only published and reflected on Tesla’s own slide in this case, we aren’t sure how we have given a “speculative blogger report”, but we can understand how confusion can arise.

Update 2 (June 22nd, 1:45pm): We spoke to a Tesla representative this afternoon and they re-iterated as well to us that the Model 3 is still “on track” for production in late 2017, and that the slide is meant to reference “full production” of the Model 3 in 2018.

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Does Lincoln have a (shrinking)~2 year window of opportunity?
to get established with class-leading electrification??
 

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"Does Lincoln have a (shrinking)~2 year window of opportunity?
to get established with class-leading electrification??"


Tesal is really not a 'luxury' automaker, but just more expensive because of the large battery packs. Looking at a $35k EV offering 250+ miles of range from Tesla, the competition would come from the Ford band. Ford is more focused on bringing EV technology to everyone at a reasonable price.

After the current $3,500 Cash Back($26k), the 23kWh(76 EPA miles) Focus Electric is only $3,500 more than a Focus Titanium. Offering 3 times the battery capacity(69kWh or 228 miles EPA), would put the Focus Electric at $33k(including current $3,500 incentive). But if Ford is able to free up more of the battery pack for consumer use, 250 miles can be had from the same battery pack. Which would mean a next gen Focus or C-Max(similar to the GM Bolt) would work.

However, Lincoln is supposed to get a compact MKA, which would allow a platform sharing EV for Lincoln also.
 

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Tesla is really not a 'luxury' automaker, but just more expensive...
...and people pay LuxBucks for them
& buy them rather than LudditeLux

guess that means if Tesla added chrome & padding they'd bring in $200k??


...the competition would come from the Ford brand. Ford is more focused...
...on PRETENDING they've had a good E Plan
CoughMax
:facepalm:



...on bringing EV technology to everyone at a reasonable price...
too bad they don't want E success this decade
while
batteries are STILL a LUXury
 

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Report: Tesla Model S took lead from Nissan Leaf in Q1
Leftlane

By Justin King
Wednesday, Jul 15th, 2015


Tesla Motors' Model S has reportedly displaced the Nissan Leaf as the most popular EV in the US market, according to data published by IHS.

"Based on volume, the most popular EV/PHEV in the U.S. is the Tesla Model S," the research firm said in its latest EV report.

Tesla began releasing sales numbers earlier this year, however the company only confirms global sales totals for each quarter. IHS counted 5,813 new Model S registrations throughout the US in the first quarter, according to a clarification sent to Forbes.

Nissan reported Leaf sales of just 4,085 units in the first three months of the year, down 21 percent from the same period in 2014...


Read more: http://www.leftlanenews.com/report-tesla-model-s-took-lead-from-nissan-leaf-in-q1-89090.html#ixzz3g4p8GMqI

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Electric vehicle batteries are getting cheaper much faster than we expected
And automakers are using those economies of scale to jump into stationary storage.

ArsTechnica.com/science

by Megan Geuss - Jul 16, 2015


... In 2014, the average cost of installing a stationary Li-ion battery in a California home was $23,429, according to The Wall Street Journal. In May, Tesla CEO Elon Musk said that these batteries would start at $3,500, plus a $500 installation cost.

It's no secret that Li-ion battery packs have been getting cheaper, and it's unsurprising that Tesla, would experience some economies of scale to allow that kind of price point (whether or not the price is subsidized by the company). And the price is only likely to come down, as the company is in the process of building a massive “gigafactory” outside of Reno, Nevada, with Panasonic to produce Li-ion batteries. Beyond Tesla, however, a recent paper published in Nature Climate Change gathered data to confirm that the cost of Li-ion battery packs for electric vehicles are falling for everyone. If trends continue, the paper suggests, electric vehicle battery packs and their stationary brethren could compete more effectively against gas cars and backup generators not too far into the future.

The research suggests that the cost of producing battery packs for electric vehicles has fallen dramatically between 2007 and 2014, to lower price points than previous optimistic projections had expected. “Results show that costs in 2014 were probably already below average projected costs for the 2020 time frame,” Björn Nykvist and Måns Nilsson wrote in their recent paper.

Nykvist and Nilsson say their data indicate that battery pack costs will continue their precipitous decline, perhaps even reaching the point where Li-ion battery systems on electric vehicles reach parity with gas-guzzling vehicles. (Although the authors of the paper admit that this point, if we ever reach it, is still far in the future—not something we're likely to see this year or next.)

“The single most important factor in achieving a compelling and affordable mass-market BEV [battery electric vehicle] is its relative cost,” Nykvist and Nilsson wrote. “It is commonly understood that the cost of battery packs needs to fall to below US$150 per kWh in order for BEVs to become cost-competitive on par with internal combustion vehicles.”...

...The two researchers did not distinguish between different variants of Li-ion battery chemistry because there was too little data to break out each technology separately, nor did they take into account the costs of hybrid car batteries.

What they found was that the cost of battery backs for electric vehicles has decreased from about $1,000 per kWh in 2007 to about $450 per kWh in 2014. And that's taking all battery electric vehicle manufacturers into account. When you separate out the largest companies making electric vehicles, the cost reductions get even more dramatic. “[T]he cost of battery packs used by market-leading BEV manufacturers are even lower, at US$300 per kWh,” the researchers added...

"...other industry experts have also estimated that battery packs in general make up 25 percent of vehicle prices, which corresponds to approximately US$300 per kWh, for example, Nissan Leaf in 2014.”...

...So, this race to bring Li-ion batteries to a market that may be on the cusp of affording them is likely to continue. But when will Li-ion batteries reach a price point where they make more economic sense to use in cars and in stationary storage than gasoline or gas generators? Nykvist told Ars: “It is impossible to assess when such a low level of USD 150/kWh will be reached as it is too far into the future, but we conclude in the paper that the trajectory is very positive, and if the current momentum lasts for a couple of years... a cost level somewhere around 200-250 USD/kWh before 2020 is quite likely.”

quite a bit more...

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I keep thinking of a 100kWh** car that would (thus) have a 400+mile range (afaik)
so
100kWh * $300per = $30k
even
100kWh * $150per = $15k
= LUXURY BRAND
(imhO):angel



...even a 10kWh battery for a plug-in with 40+miles range = an extra $3k-$1500
not for every mainstreamer!


**edit
Tesla announced 90kWh today + other stuff
 

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to get established with class-leading electrification??

Interest in Hybrid Cars the Same, But Not When Money is Involved
TTAC

By Aaron Cole on August 23, 2015


Two stories paint an interesting present reality for hybrid and electric vehicles in America. Interest in hybrid vehicles has stayed consistent for the last two years among people in the U.S., AutoGuide is reporting. But apparently dealers and buyers can’t keep their hands off of those cars in Connecticut, where that state recently offered up to $3,000 on the hoods of those cars, Automotive News is reporting...

...Connecticut is offering money off the cars directly from a $1 million fund aimed at moving cars off lots. The state is putting up to $3,000 on the hoods of some cars, depending on battery size, to incentive purchases of hybrids and electric cars. Through July, about one-quarter of the incentive money available had been claimed...
 

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MANTRA:
...Does Lincoln have a (shrinking)~2 year window of opportunity?
to get established with class-leading electrification??
Leftlane

By Drew Johnson | Thursday, Sep 3rd, 2015


During a recent interview with Germany's auto motor und sport, Mercedes development head Thomas Weber revealed that his company is currently developing an answer to the Tesla Model S...

...Weber added that Mercedes' EV architecture is being developed on a modular platform, meaning it will be able to underpin vehicles of varying types and sizes.

Mercedes-Benz is no stranger to Tesla, having acquired a 9.1 percent stake in the California-based automaker in 2009. Mercedes even used Tesla batteries in its B-Class Electric Drive. However, the two companies parted ways in 2014...

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not about Lincoln but in-keeping with the Electrification theme of this thread...
...so
assuming the same partial-hp limitation all the current Hybrids & Energis use
( 2.0 Atkinson .= 141hp
electric motor .= 118hp
BUT they total = 188hp, NOT 259 ! )...
ref: Volt as alternative to VW post
WHAT IF FoMoCo
- took a smaller engine (~118hp)
- either a 1.5 non-EB (maybe Atkinson) or 1.0EB
- stretched a Focus/Escape/C-Max to make room for (more) batteries
- & at the same time, more interior room than the current Focus
to
bring out an improved plug-in (hybrid too?)
TO SPECIFICALLY TARGET VWs
as well as just FINALLY compete with the Volt/Leaf
assuming the same partial-hp limitation all the current Hybrids & Energis use
( whatever engine .= 118hp
electric motor .= 118hp
BUT they total = ~170hp, NOT 236 ! )...
OR
even less:
100hp + 100eHP
total = 145hp combined, not 200hp
remembering that electric motors provide "instant torque"
I consider the Fusion/C-Max to be a bit over-powered for a true C-segment greencar

...maybe building this off the C-Max, AS A RE-VISIONED/Styled C-Max-sedanish-hatch(Volt-ish), MIGHT BE THE BEST IDEA YET?
178 ovl - 107 wlb - same width - same height**
wlb = avg of C-Max/Focus & Grand C-Max (about +2.7")
ovl = avg of Focus sedan+hatch stretched to new wheelbase

** amazed to see (in my database) that the C-Max is only 2-tenths" taller than a Focus

ref: new 2017 Volt =(afaik) 180.3 ovl - 106.5 wlb

...too bad it's a bit premature for The RETURN of :merlogo:
 

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something that's been really bugging me lately
...What would be a nice surprise would be for the MKZ to get a plug, and both with updated longer range battery packs. I mention this because the New Continental has to offer some sort or electrified technology, especially since China has begun their push for electric vehicles and plug-in sales are now higher than in the US.
I don't feel like ford is really investing as much as some think in alternative drivetrains. I don't expect any model outside the mkz to offer a hybrid version, not anytime soon at least.
I've been wondering...
-- IF FoMoCo does as much "bluesky" testing as I would (dunno what else to call it)
-- in addition to (after?) computer simulations, I'd want PARTS-BIN TESTING:

Take a Z** with the CMx/Fu plugin electrics and swap in a
- 1.0EB
- 1.5EB
- 2.0EB
- 2.3EB...


** I would NOT use a Fusion body/shell becuz *I* would want to encourage Everyone to THINK LINCOLN FIRST (no one would ever see a Ford-bodied testcar in my alternate-reality, even if it was never going to be shared), turboHybrids are Premium anyway...
and do some trials of MODEcontol with them too;
+ see if any Focus-BEV drive-parts would fit;
also OF COURSE, have a team developing Virtual-Awd LIKE ALL OTHER MFG's
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something that's been really bugging me lately

I've been wondering...
-- IF FoMoCo does as much "bluesky" testing as I would (dunno what else to call it)
-- in addition to (after?) computer simulations, I'd want PARTS-BIN TESTING:

Take a Z** with the CMx/Fu plugin electrics and swap in a
- 1.0EB
- 1.5EB
- 2.0EB
- 2.3EB...


** I would NOT use a Fusion body/shell becuz *I* would want to encourage Everyone to THINK LINCOLN FIRST (no one would ever see a Ford-bodied testcar in my alternate-reality, even if it was never going to be shared), turboHybrids are Premium anyway...
and do some trials of MODEcontol with them too;
+ see if any Focus-BEV drive-parts would fit;
also OF COURSE, have a team developing Virtual-Awd LIKE ALL OTHER MFG's
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I think Ford will do another 'steal the show' kind of thing when they announce their updated/ new hybrid/plug-in tech in refreshed or new vehicles.

It's been too long since Ford updated anything related to their electrification offerings. I remember the RWD Hybrid platform that Ford was working with Toyota on, was to be ready 'before' 2020. But yikes, that's 4 more years out if that's the case.

I bet like you showed, the EB engines will play a big part in the new hybrid tech. Especially since Ford already hinted about using the Atkinson cycle with the highly configurable 1.0L EcoBoost in tests. But I think it would have to be the 1.5L EB with Atkinson cycle used in the hybrid tech, so there would be enough HP and torque to have the power consumers expect from Ford, with the retrofit hybrids. BUT, a new dedicated hybrid that Ford talked about, could have the 1.0L EB with Atkinson cycle, where there is no 'performance' expectation to match the gasoline only mode. This brings us to 2 different hybrid engines in Ford's new hybrid tech. Right now it's just the one 2.0L for everything from the C-Max to the MKZ. The two need not have the same engine from two different vehicle classes.
 

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It's become increasingly clear to me that Lincoln, along with Ford in general, doesn't take electrification seriously. I made the decision to move on a while ago after it was clear that there are no new products on the horizon, and the MKZ Hybrid, while nicer than full gas vehicles, pales in comparison to electric offerings that are available now. I still love the designs they produce, but they are crippled by archaic drive trains appreciated only by drivers who don't know any better.

I'm hopeful Lincoln will survive long enough that they are able to bring a compelling electric vehicle to market, but their continued lackluster sales even with the hideous designs that better selling brands are putting out makes me doubt whether it will ever happen. In the meantime, I'll be driving around gas-free in my BMW i3 and future Tesla Model X waiting for the day when I can again consider a Lincoln.
 

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I'm between
T: "...that Lincoln, along with Ford in general, doesn't take electrification seriously..."
&
B: "...another 'steal the show' kind of thing..."
ONLY
because imho FoMoCo has
- Genius
- Luck
- Karma
that has them doing just the right thing at the right time LIKE:
they did with their Mortgage Financing JUST before the Banks&WallSt. took the eekonomy and FLUSHED it

that said,
imho they cannot wait for nextgen plat/prog/itectures to do MORE
(esp a mkZ-Energi)
LA...
MKZ - I would soooooooooooo Love it if Lincoln was ALLOWED to take the FocusElectric's** 23kWh battery & 143hp electric motor and combine that with ANY EcoBoost engine
** range = 76m/2014 and 81m/2015; Z-En = maybe ~60miles?...
my biggest fear is that they'll be blinded by their ePower to the People approach that has put a $10k drivetrain IN THE FOCUS
:facepalm:


...I still love the designs they produce, but they are crippled by archaic drive trains appreciated only by drivers who don't know any better.

I'm hopeful Lincoln will survive long enough that they are able to bring a compelling electric vehicle to market, but their continued lackluster sales even with the hideous designs that better selling brands are putting out makes me doubt whether it will ever happen. In the meantime, I'll be driving around gas-free in my BMW i3 and future Tesla Model X waiting for the day when I can again consider a Lincoln.
did you mean MODEL III ???
.......................that^
is sorta my DEADline for a more intensive eProgram's first outward sign

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No, I've had a Model X reservation for the last 18 months that I expected to get when my MKZ lease ran out, but the delays forced me back into the market and the deals on the i3 made more sense than extending my MKZ or getting a Model S. I still anticipate getting the Model X and sharing it with a family member until the i3 goes back, but my plans could change depending on how the Model 3 looks and what else is revealed on this year's auto show circuit.
 
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