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No, they're blathering when they keep going on and on and on whining about the same subject.

Can't go back in history and make the first generation Taurus or Focus or Escort better and more reliable cars. Had Ford done a better job, the Camry, Accord, Civic, and Corolla wouldn't dominate the market the way they do. The fact is the F series and to a lesser extent Explorer and Mustang are what Ford's got, and with its massive debt Ford can't afford to keep trying with sedans.
Massive debt? Where? When? Ford is in a good financial state. The problem is the prices of the shares...
 

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Now I get it. So, under this definition, those who keep insisting that Ford is making all the right moves and that Ford has everything under control are blathering also because they keep going on and on and on about the same thing.

Some do not want to know or acknowledge the history because history points to the very things that got them into the mess they're in. Someone wise (you might call him a wise a**) said that those that do not know history are bound to repeat it. Another wise ... er ... man said that you can't learn from your successes.

People blather about the same things because they sense (rightly or wrongly) that Ford is making the same mistakes that they have in the past. No emperor like to be told that he's naked.

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Ford has one uncompetitive hybrid.

The hybrid Drive system that launched in 2012, has been untouched for 6 years while the competition has improved and diversified their products Ford has remained stagnant.

https://fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=39298&id=39918&id=38936&id=39339

Ford beat nearly of the competition to market significantly. Sure, some have newer, because they had nothing before.. Ford is on the cusp of rolling out a whole new family of hybrids.
 

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Ford beat nearly of the competition to market significantly. Sure, some have newer, because they had nothing before.. Ford is on the cusp of rolling out a whole new family of hybrids.
Which makes it all the more pathetic how ford dropped the ball on leading the competition. Fusion Energi went from ~1400 sales a month two years ago to sliding to less than 400 last month. Pretty sad that they just let that happen. GM has had a hybrid truck for over 10 years yet still waiting for F150? Even Ram finally has one.

And Ford has always been behind in the development of pure electric...sales of focus ev are dismal. Arguably, pure electric is the future...hel why buy a vehicle with two intergrated, complex propulsion systems that take forever to pay off the investment when u can buy an ev and start saving immediately on fuel and maintenance costs? Tesla 3 sold nearly 18000 just last month. Ford needs to study the competition and their first serious ev had better be a homerun or they will remain an also ran.

https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
 

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Which makes it all the more pathetic how ford dropped the ball on leading the competition. Fusion Energi went from ~1400 sales a month two years ago to sliding to less than 400 last month. Pretty sad that they just let that happen. GM has had a hybrid truck for over 10 years yet still waiting for F150? Even Ram finally has one.

And Ford has always been behind in the development of pure electric...sales of focus ev are dismal. Arguably, pure electric is the future...hel why buy a vehicle with two intergrated, complex propulsion systems that take forever to pay off the investment when u can buy an ev and start saving immediately on fuel and maintenance costs? Tesla 3 sold nearly 18000 just last month. Ford needs to study the competition and their first serious ev had better be a homerun or they will remain an also ran.

https://insideevs.com/monthly-plug-in-sales-scorecard/
Ford is about to roll out it's 3rd gen hybrids, with several interim updates between. And these will be the first hybrid ICE's designed as such, very rare in the industry. Most are just Atkinson cycle cam timing.
Hardly dropping the ball, that's for sure. Meanwhile, GM dragged it's feet for years with pseudo-partial hybrids, before finally offering what customers wanted when gas was expensive.

As for Ford's next gen BEV, I hardly think they can go wrong, especially if they actually plan on making money on them, rather than losing many thousands per sale. Ouch
 

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Trump is rejoicing he was able to stop Ford from importing the Focus Active from China...
"This is just the beginning. This car can now be BUILT IN THE U.S.A. and Ford will pay no tariffs!"
-President Donald Trump

Ford's response...
"It would not be profitable to build the Focus Active in the U.S. given an expected annual sales volume of fewer than 50,000 units,"

It must be bad luck for Ford that Trump attacks all the countries it wants to import small cars from.
 

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Trump is rejoicing he was able to stop Ford from importing the Focus Active from China...
"This is just the beginning. This car can now be BUILT IN THE U.S.A. and Ford will pay no tariffs!"
-President Donald Trump

Ford's response...
"It would not be profitable to build the Focus Active in the U.S. given an expected annual sales volume of fewer than 50,000 units,"

It must be bad luck for Ford that Trump attacks all the countries it wants to import small cars from.

The Trump´s policy will turn the global autoindustry almost impossible. BMW, Mercedes-Benz wont be able to export their models assembled in USA to Europe and China. Ford wont be able to import China assembled cars from China to sell them in USA. The Germans wont be able to export their models from Europe to USA without a penalty. US automakers wont be able to export their models assembled in USA to Europe. This is the end of Global automakers... at least for the time that Trump lives in the White House.
 

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Trump is rejoicing he was able to stop Ford from importing the Focus Active from China...
"This is just the beginning. This car can now be BUILT IN THE U.S.A. and Ford will pay no tariffs!"
-President Donald Trump

Ford's response...
"It would not be profitable to build the Focus Active in the U.S. given an expected annual sales volume of fewer than 50,000 units,"

It must be bad luck for Ford that Trump attacks all the countries it wants to import small cars from.
What gets me is how biased against Ford Trump is. He never mentions the Mexican-made GM and Chrysler cars nor mentions that Ford is the most American-made of the Big Three. Ford did not get government bailout unlike the other two. Where is Trump regarding the Buick Envision that GM is trying to get exemption from? Seems like a businessman like Trump would know how expensive it is to build things in America considering his own products are also made in Mexico, China, and other foreign nations. The irony. It's a shame that Ford has to actually tiptoe around Trump regarding their business decisions as to not piss the man off on his Twitter account. The blatant bias from both Trump and the media sickens me and Ford loses no matter what while GM and FiatChrysler almost get free passes in pretty much everything they've done.
 

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Trump is rejoicing he was able to stop Ford from importing the Focus Active from China...
"This is just the beginning. This car can now be BUILT IN THE U.S.A. and Ford will pay no tariffs!"
-President Donald Trump

Ford's response...
"It would not be profitable to build the Focus Active in the U.S. given an expected annual sales volume of fewer than 50,000 units,"

It must be bad luck for Ford that Trump attacks all the countries it wants to import small cars from.

Seeking fairness in trade, is not "attacking."
 

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Discussion Starter · #71 · (Edited)
Ford employs a ton of Trump voters in a key swing state, it's really not that complicated. Trump's protectionism is very desirable to voting autoworkers, always has been for politics in Michigan but typically it's a liberal issue. But that's how he got a blue state like Michigan.
 

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Ford employs a ton of Trump voters in a key swing state, it's really not that complicated. Trump's protectionism is very desirable to voting autoworkers, always has been for politics in Michigan but typically it's a liberal issue. But that's how he got a blue state like Michigan.
Trump has been talking about unfair trade since the 80's. He did not just say it, for votes. That is what politicians do, and then do nothing about it.
 

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Ford employs a ton of Trump voters in a key swing state, it's really not that complicated. Trump's protectionism is very desirable to voting autoworkers.



That protectionism isn´t working. The Trump´s policy is damaging the Ford´s plans. Ford can´t import the Focus from China, but won´t produce it in USA neither... It's a pity that these workers are deceived by Trump's proposals.
 

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Ford employs a ton of Trump voters in a key swing state, it's really not that complicated. Trump's protectionism is very desirable to voting autoworkers, always has been for politics in Michigan but typically it's a liberal issue. But that's how he got a blue state like Michigan.
Trump has been talking about unfair trade since the 80's. Getting votes was not really his goal, that is easy, just say something you think people want to hear. That is what politicians do, and then do nothing about it. Trump has been consistent for decades.
 

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Now if Trump went after EcoSport with tariffs, he'd get a vote from me :).
After actually spending some time with one, I take back every positive thing I said about the EcoSport.

Actually, it's not entirely bad, just the powertrain, something I happen to focus most on. But not good.
 

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Discussion Starter · #77 · (Edited)
It's definitely a very rare sighting, even in Detroit. I have only seen three or four on the road since they came out.

I understand the driver for tariffs to promote fair trade, but it's not about closing deficits because the economics of deficits isn't that simple or negative. It's certainly not money lost as frequently equated by Trump.

I tend to follow the conservative line that tariffs are taxes on consumers, and they ultimately harm American corporations like Ford whom employ Americans. Job growth in the US didn't come from Tariffs, they are lost to them. Expecting job growth by forcing businesses to increase their costs is problematic. Ford is unable to generate US revenue from products it produces and sells to global customers anyway which brings money back to the US. That's a real tangible and immediate consequences to an American business.

I'm not saying there aren't longer term benefits, but the consequences are clear and immediate for Ford right now. Ford effectively has to downsize its US operation and cut cost even further because the cost of doing business is going up. And if NAFTA2 is any indication, trade barriers are only going to solidify under new agreements which means it's going to take years for corporations to adjust and cut costs to reframe their business. It'll be interesting not see how the US economy adapts but it's not positive up front. Like anything else, the economy adapts despite political interference.
 

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Now if Trump went after EcoSport with tariffs, he'd get a vote from me :).
I'm guessing you said that only because you hate it.

I on the other hand would consider one if I were in the market for a subcompact crossover, just right for city driving here in Asia. I just drove one last week.

PS: At this point I can only wish for the success of whatever model Ford decides to keep in its US lineup.
 

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I only hate the EcoSport because it's not competitive, it messes up my narrative that Ford only responds when it has the right product that rises above. I actually find the EcoSport weirdly charming...except when it comes time to compare dollars and cents.

That deficiency is about to be magnified with a new generation of competitors from GM in just a few months.

It's perfectly acceptable in Ford's global markets where it's priced and packaged competitively for a different consumer and set of competitors.

And given the low volume and profit margin, I would rather Ford stay out of the market entirely than show up poorly prepared. Although I realize this is how GM started, they just showed up with Daewoo garbage and now they dominate the entry level SUV market as they've advanced their products and established customers.
 

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I only hate the EcoSport because it's not competitive, it messes up my narrative that Ford only responds when it has the right product that rises above. I actually find the EcoSport weirdly charming...except when it comes time to compare dollars and cents.
I agree if you compare it to more refined mini CUVs, but it is similar in price to a Corolla hatchback.
It may not steal many sales from the HRV and Renegade, but there are many compact hatches and sedans out there with less utility for the same price.
 
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