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Ford consolidating Fiesta production in Thailand
Ford moving work from Mexico, India in '16 to free up N. American production capacity

Karl Henkel The Detroit News

Ford Motor Co. plans to free up much-needed production capacity in North America by shifting manufacturing of its Fiesta subcompact car to Thailand in 2016, according to sources familiar with the company's plans.

The automaker plans to move Fiesta manufacturing from its Cuautitlán Assembly Plant in Mexico — as well as its Chennai Assembly Plant in India — to a centralized facility in Thailand, according to the sources. A Ford plant in Rayong, Thailand, is currently a manufacturing site for the Fiesta. The Fiesta also is made at seven other plants across the globe.

"We can't divulge our future product plans, but we're always looking for ways to optimize our global manufacturing capability," Ford spokeswoman Kristina Adamski said in an email.

A move to consolidate production makes sense, especially since the "critical mass" of current and future Fiesta sales is concentrated in Asia and nearby Europe, said Jim Hall, analyst at 2953 Analytics LLP.
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With US production already at 114%, the import tax free Cuautitlan facility may be used for higher volume Focus/C-MAX to expand their production, since they ride on the same platform. Current production constraints is what's holding back sales of the Focus and C-MAX in NA.

Also, more c-segment production capacity makes it possible for the 2015/16 Focus Hybrid/Energi, along with the 2015/16 larger 7-passenger Grand C-MAX Hybrid/Energi to be a reality, to expand the C-MAX Hybrid 'Family'.

Ford clearly needs the 50+/50+ mpg Focus Hybrid to compete directly with the current Prius liftback market.

There is a good chance that the next Atkinson Cycle engine(that downsized from 2.5 to 2.0L) will be 1.5L, with a more powerful electric motor to benefit from tax breaks in Europe and Asia like the 1.5L EcoBoost.

By comparison the Pruis liftback and v has a 1.8L engine with only 98hp, with a 36 hp electric motor. While the C-MAX has a 2.0L engine with 141hp, with a 44hp electric motor.
 

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By comparison the Pruis liftback and v has a 1.8L engine with only 98hp, with a 36 hp electric motor. While the C-MAX has a 2.0L engine with 141hp, with a 44hp electric motor.
The Prius Liftback also just weighs 3042 lbs. I'm actually surprised that the C-Max Hyrbid weighs 3607 lbs!
 

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I haven't really studied electrified-cars enough yet
but have this factoid handy
C-MaxEnergi = 7.6kW
Prius PlugIn = 4.4kW
for the Energi at least, having almost twice the battery capacity (if I've got my numbers right) should account for a significant weight difference



re: the Cuautitlán news
imho this is-or-could/probably-be BIG
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With US production already at 114%, the import tax free Cuautitlan facility may be used for higher volume Focus/C-MAX to expand their production..
...more c-segment production capacity makes it possible for the 2015/16 Focus Hybrid/Energi, along with the 2015/16 larger 7-passenger Grand C-MAX Hybrid/Energi to be a reality, to expand the C-MAX Hybrid 'Family'...
I wonder if FoMoCo could better use Mexico's labor rates to bring things like a lower priced sub-Brand to the Americas

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I guess that is a very good news for Thailand. It'd be good for the development of business out there. Ford's have been trying to expand their network all over the world and has certainly achieved a significant amount of success in this respect.
 

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I doubt Ford can fit Fiesta production for NA is Thailand with Mazda also in the plant. Even then it would be a tight fit.

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Ford has new facilities in Thailand (aside from the old AAT plant with Mazda), the first model manufactured in their new car plant is the current Focus.
Later this year, they will start production of the new EcoSport, the 2nd model to be manufactured in the new plant.

I think they could also use this plant for the next gen Fiesta since the plant can produce up to six different models.

This is from last year....
The facility increases Ford’s annual capacity in Thailand to 445,000 vehicles as the automaker aims to boost global sales (F) to 8 million units by 2015 with one-third of deliveries in Asia by 2020. The Rayong plant is capable of producing six vehicle models as Ford expects to widen its lineup in ASEAN countries, New Zealand and Australia to compete with bigger rivals Toyota Motor Corp. (7203) and Volkswagen AG. (VOW)
Read More: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-02/ford-opens-thailand-plant-to-expand-southeast-asian-export-hub
 

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The Prius Liftback also just weighs 3042 lbs. I'm actually surprised that the C-Max Hyrbid weighs 3607 lbs!
The C-MAX Hybrid has gross weight of 3,640, which compares with the Prius v at 3,274. Which enables the C-MAX to have a more solid confident, quieter ride, compared with the Prius v that is underweight and floats all over the road and sounds like a big tin can when driving.
 

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The C-MAX Hybrid has gross weight of 3,640, which compares with the Prius v at 3,274. Which enables the C-MAX to have a more solid confident, quieter ride, compared with the Prius v that is underweight and floats all over the road and sounds like a big tin can when driving.
I drive a Focus and it weighs less than 3,000 pounds... it does not float all over the road and is solid.
The added weight of the C-Max Hybrid is from the electric motor and batteries, the standard C-Max sold elsewhere weighs about as much as a Focus.
Hybrid or non-hybrid, modern Fords have good NVH and a solid build.
 

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I drive a Focus and it weighs less than 3,000 pounds... it does not float all over the road and is solid.
The added weight of the C-Max Hybrid is from the electric motor and batteries, the standard C-Max sold elsewhere weighs about as much as a Focus.
Hybrid or non-hybrid, modern Fords have good NVH and a solid build.
You are correct....but the comparison was the weight of two hybrid vehicles both with battery packs/electric motors adding additional weight.

The Prius vehicles add battery weight, but removed much of the structure and insulation, thicker glass, necessary for a stable/secure and quiet ride, which has it floating all over the road at higher speeds, and very noisy at any time.

The UK version of the petrol C-MAX comes in just over 3086 lbs, where the NA Hybrid version is at 3640 and the Energi is at 3899. That's a 554 increase for hybrid and over 800lb increase for the energy.

Where the new 2013 Fusion hybrid is at 3615....25lbs less than the smaller C-MAX Hybrid. And the Fusion Energi is at 3913....just 14 lbs more than the smaller C-MAX Energi with the same battery pack.

Which tell us the next gen C-MAX and Focus is about to loose some serious weight, as the New 2013 Fusion weighs only 3,333 with manual transmission, and 3,421 with automatic/1.6L. 2012 Fusion weighed 3591 or 170 more than the current model.

Fusion Hybrid only weighs 194 lbs more than Fusion with auto/1.6L, and the Fusion Energi weights less than 500 lbs than the auto/1.6L Fusion.

But the current Focus weighs 2,920 with manual and 2,948 with automatic. The much larger Fusion manual weighs only 413 lbs more than the current Focus.

I expect the next Focus/C-MAX(using more aluminum panels, etc) to drop down close to 2700 and 2800 to match or beat it's #1 rival, the 2014 Golf. Along with getting a serious mpg boost from the lighter weight, while maintaining excellent driving characteristics.
 

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thought MKII might post this himself but from elsewhere...
Brazil wants to limit Mexico vehicle exports to an annual quota of U.S. $ 1.4 billion by next three years. The value would be an average of the last three years. The initiative aims to balance the trade balance to the side of Brazil, which registered a deficit in 2011. http://www.zippcar.net/2012/03/brasil-e-mexico-estao-perto-de-acordo.html

The New Fiesta will no longer be imported from Mexico in 2013. As explained by the friend Marlos Vidal the new Fiesta will feature restyled look and will be produced in São Bernardo do Campo, São Paulo, occupying the factory that now produces Ka, Courier and F series trucks. http://www.zippcar.net/2012/03/ford-new-fiesta-nacional-e-o-novo-focus.html

Argentina established a quota for the next three years of approximately 600 million USD of imports from Mexico, duty free. If that number is exceeded, the terminals may be imported but paying a tariff of 35% or exports made ​​by the same amounts.

From this agreement, may be greater availability of products in Argentina , as brands such as Nissan rely almost exclusively on vehicles from our lands. On the other hand, models produced in Argentina, as the Ford Ranger can now realize their export plan, which in June had been paralyzed.

Mexico exported models are: Chevrolet Aveo sedan, Dodge Journey, Fiat 500, Ford Fiesta Hatchback, Honda CR-V, Nissan NP300, March, Sentra and Tiida, and the Volkswagen Jetta sedan and variant.

While import from Argentina, the following vehicles: Mercedes-Benz Sprinter, Renault Kangoo, Toyota Hilux, Volkswagen Amarok and now Ford Ranger surely.

http://noticias.autocosmos.com.mx/2012/12/17/mexico-y-argentina-reanudan-acuerdo-automotriz

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The Prius vehicles add battery weight, but removed much of the structure and insulation, thicker glass, necessary for a stable/secure and quiet ride, which has it floating all over the road at higher speeds, and very noisy at any time.
I expect the next Focus/C-MAX(using more aluminum panels, etc) to drop down close to 2700 and 2800 to match or beat it's #1 rival, the 2014 Golf. Along with getting a serious mpg boost from the lighter weight, while maintaining excellent driving characteristics.
That is exactly what Toyota did with the Prius.
The Prius was designed to be a hybrid from the start, so it uses aluminum panels and lightweight high-strength steel to keep the weight down.
 

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Ford has new facilities in Thailand (aside from the old AAT plant with Mazda), the first model manufactured in their new car plant is the current Focus.
Later this year, they will start production of the new EcoSport, the 2nd model to be manufactured in the new plant.

I think they could also use this plant for the next gen Fiesta since the plant can produce up to six different models.

This is from last year....

Read More: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-05-02/ford-opens-thailand-plant-to-expand-southeast-asian-export-hub
Just do not think Ford should/will sacrifice ASEAN capacity for NA.
 

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Just do not think Ford should/will sacrifice ASEAN capacity for NA.
The Thai plant has the extra capacity to manufacture more vehicles and B-segment cars like the Fiesta sell in lower volumes in the US. It makes sense for Ford to import lower volume models and focus their North American plants on models that sell in higher volumes.

What do you think could be a better alternative?
 

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Well i guess they will work something out..and come to some sort of an agreement with the Mazda. it is a giant leap for the ford and i really think it is gonna work.
 
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