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Ford has stated that the goal is to bring the number of platforms used for vehicles globally down to just 9 by 2016. This will create tremendous cost and time savings when producing new models.

Here I will try to identify vehicles based on current/future platform:

1. B Platform: Fiesta, Figo, EcoSport and (new Ka)

2. C Platform: Focus, Escape, C-MAX, (Escort), MKC, Transit Connect, (New Lincoln entry sedan)

3. C/D Platform: Fusion, Mondeo, MKZ, (New Edge), (New MKX), (New Taurus), (New MKZ Coupe)

4. Sports Car: Mustang (New Lincoln Performance Sedan/Coupe/Convertible), (New MKS)

5. D Platform: Explorer, Flex, MKT, Current Taurus, (New Lincoln Aviator)

6. Light Truck: Ranger, (Everest Concept)

7. Full Size: F-150, Expedition, Navigator

8. Over 8500: Super Duty

9. Full Size Van: Transit


Here is another interesting bit of info from the article:

"A Ford spokesman told me on Friday that Ford's current plan is to build "virtually all" of its vehicles on just nine "global core platforms" by 2016.

But — at least as of right now — the Mustang's new platform isn't shared with any other Ford model anywhere in the world. According to Pericak, it was developed and optimized specifically for the Mustang.

That doesn't mean that it won't be shared with future models at some point. But at least as of right now, the Mustang has a very special status in Ford's current global plan."
 

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That 'new' Mustang platform is 107 inches long. With a front track of 63inch and rear track of about 64. For comparison the ATS track is 60, with a wheelbase of 109inches. ATS vehicle width is 71 inches, while the is over 73inches excluding mirrors.

Which makes it clear that a slightly extended version of the New RWD Mustang platform, now with a new front and rear suspension, will work perfectly for a Lincoln aluminum performance sedan. While the base Mustang platform will work as the perfect Lincoln aluminum performance coupe and convertible.

Also it may be that what was thought as being the new MKS with a Fusion mule body, may have actually been the new Taurus which will share and extended version of the Fusion platform.

The New MKS which MUST be RWD, no question, will use a new platform(stretching the Mustang platform 10 inches won't be happening), that it would/could share with an upcoming RWD Continental flagship sedan.

OR, the new MKS and Continental will ride on a new RWD D Platform, with the next gen Explorer/Aviator moving to the C/D Platform with the new Taurus.
 

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The New MKS which MUST be RWD, no question, will use a new platform(stretching the Mustang platform 10 inches won't be happening), that it would/could share with an upcoming RWD Continental flagship sedan.

OR, the new MKS and Continental will ride on a new RWD D Platform, with the next gen Explorer/Aviator moving to the C/D Platform with the new Taurus.
I agree the mule we've seen is likely the Taurus. On the other hand we've seen that picture of the covered up MKS sitting in a parking lot that made clear that its proportions are still FWD based. I think the best we can hope for right now with the MKS is a highly modified aluminum version of the next Taurus, hopefully with a new rear biased AWD system. From an execution standpoint if not from design I'm expecting an A8 like car.
 

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The New MKS which MUST be RWD, no question, will use a new platform(stretching the Mustang platform 10 inches won't be happening), that it would/could share with an upcoming RWD Continental flagship sedan.

OR, the new MKS and Continental will ride on a new RWD D Platform, with the next gen Explorer/Aviator moving to the C/D Platform with the new Taurus.
Besides hopeful speculation, what evidence is there of a RWD Lincoln flagship? This is just like all the hope on GMI for more cars on Alpha besides the CTS, ATS, and next Camaro. Everything indicates the next MKS, like the Taurus, will be a stretched Fusion/MKZ.
 

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I was under the impression that the D3 and D4 platforms are being phased out completely (or at the very least D3). I'm not sure if the Flex/MKT will be around after this product cycle. Neither one sells in blistering numbers.

There will supposedly be 3 different versions of the C/D platform: CD4.1, CD4.2, and CD4.3.

CD4.1: Current- MKZ/Fusion
Possible addition- Edge/MKX
The current Edge/MKX sit on the older CD3 platform. It has a 111.2" wheelbase. They are already one of the more roomy CUVs available. Moving to CD4.1 would increase the wheelbase by about an inch or so.

Speculative

CD4.2: Wheelbase would stretch 2-3" more than CD4.1.
Possible addition- Taurus/MKS

CD4.3: Heavily modified. Wheelbase would stretch 2-3" more than CD4.2.
Possible addition- Explorer/Aviator

Wikipedia has an article on CD4, though I realize Wikipedia is not a reliable source.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_CD4_platform
 

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Ford Platforms 101

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Ford has stated that the goal is to bring the number of platforms used for vehicles globally down to just 9 by 2016. This will create tremendous cost and time savings when producing new models.

Here I will try to identify vehicles based on current/future platform:

1. B Platform: Fiesta, Figo, EcoSport and (new Ka)

2. C Platform: Focus, Escape, C-MAX, (Escort), MKC, Transit Connect, (New Lincoln entry sedan)

3. C/D Platform: Fusion, Mondeo, MKZ, (New Edge), (New MKX), (New Taurus), (New MKZ Coupe)

4. Sports Car: Mustang (New Lincoln Performance Sedan/Coupe/Convertible), (New MKS)

5. D Platform: Explorer, Flex, MKT, Current Taurus, (New Lincoln Aviator)

6. Light Truck: Ranger, (Everest Concept)

7. Full Size: F-150, Expedition, Navigator

8. Over 8500: Super Duty

9. Full Size Van: Transit


Here is another interesting bit of info from the article:

"A Ford spokesman told me on Friday that Ford's current plan is to build "virtually all" of its vehicles on just nine "global core platforms" by 2016.

But — at least as of right now — the Mustang's new platform isn't shared with any other Ford model anywhere in the world. According to Pericak, it was developed and optimized specifically for the Mustang.

That doesn't mean that it won't be shared with future models at some point. But at least as of right now, the Mustang has a very special status in Ford's current global plan."
thanks for the post Bloggin, I would like to see a RWD MKS-Continental but I think this car will ride on the C/D plarform and not on the sports car platform.......I think the MKZ and MKS will be FWD....but I expect a Lincstang RWD sedan and coupe to compete with ATS-3series-Cclass.......and if there is going to be a Lincstang coupe I don´t see the point of a MKZ coupe.......I think they should something ike this:
MKZ: FWD sedan / ES-TLX
MKS: FWD sedan / XTS-RLX
Lincstang: sedan, coupe and wagon / 3 series, ATS, C class, A4, IS
Maybe a new LS too, to fight the 5series, E class,CTS - sedan coupe and wagon
 

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Are there facts (or inside information) to support the claim that these models exist:

-RWD MKS
-MKZ Coupe
-Aviator

I can definitely see a RWD MKS in the future, but I wasn't expecting one as soon as the next generation. An MKZ Coupe would be interesting, but Ford isn't really big on making coupes. And if we do get an Aviator, hopefully it's aluminum based.
 

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I'm pretty confident Lincoln has made no decision and is not developing a RWD product at this point. The next MKS is still CD-based like the Taurus, Edge, MKX, Explorer, etc.

The Mustang is a one-off platform that is not adaptable, and it never has been. I realize it will take many years of nothing happening with this before people are once again convinced that this is the case. But I would seriously give up the notion that Lincoln has a RWD sedan available to them just because the Mustang got a new suspension system. In 8-years Lincoln will likely develop a RWD/AWD platform possibly with a next-gen Mustang, but they are not even in the development process at this point. You need allot more patience with Lincoln if you are waiting on RWD platforms. And remember, even RWD Caddy looks at the MKS segment as a volume necessity with the XTS, Lincoln can't charge enough for their cars to justify a RWD flagship anytime soon. And you have to remember that Lincoln is an upstart company that has done almost no engineering on its own, let alone develop a RWD luxury sedan which Ford hasn't even done. It's like Nissan or Toyota developing a truck, or Ford trying to compete with the minivan, they don't know how to do it as well as somebody else and it will cost them twice as much to find that out. Lincoln is a coach-builder at this stage, people under-estimate the scale of the mountain Lincoln has yet to climb. We are talking decades before they can even rival Caddy today!

And if Ford has taught us anything within the last couple of years, they do not think in conventional or obvious ways. Lincoln may yet surprise us, and it doesn't need to start with RWD.
 

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I'm pretty confident Lincoln has made no decision and is not developing a RWD product at this point. The next MKS is still CD-based like the Taurus, Edge, MKX, Explorer, etc.

The Mustang is a one-off platform that is not adaptable, and it never has been. I realize it will take many years of nothing happening with this before people are once again convinced that this is the case. But I would seriously give up the notion that Lincoln has a RWD sedan available to them just because the Mustang got a new suspension system. In 8-years Lincoln will likely develop a RWD/AWD platform possibly with a next-gen Mustang, but they are not even in the development process at this point. You need allot more patience with Lincoln if you are waiting on RWD platforms. And remember, even RWD Caddy looks at the MKS segment as a volume necessity with the XTS, Lincoln can't charge enough for their cars to justify a RWD flagship anytime soon.
That's inconsistent with One Ford though. The idea is to share the 9 platforms and make the most use out of them. Ford has very little use for the Mustang platform besides the Mustang, so it would make sense that Lincoln would utilize it. Mulally even said that there would be no one-off platforms anymore.
 

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I'm pretty confident Lincoln has made no decision and is not developing a RWD product at this point. The next MKS is still CD-based like the Taurus, Edge, MKX, Explorer, etc.

The Mustang is a one-off platform that is not adaptable, and it never has been. I realize it will take many years of nothing happening with this before people are once again convinced that this is the case. But I would seriously give up the notion that Lincoln has a RWD sedan available to them just because the Mustang got a new suspension system. In 8-years Lincoln will likely develop a RWD/AWD platform possibly with a next-gen Mustang, but they are not even in the development process at this point. You need allot more patience with Lincoln if you are waiting on RWD platforms. And remember, even RWD Caddy looks at the MKS segment as a volume necessity with the XTS, Lincoln can't charge enough for their cars to justify a RWD flagship anytime soon.

And if Ford has taught us anything within the last couple of years, they do not think in conventional or obvious ways. Lincoln may yet surprise us, and it doesn't need to start with RWD.
That's inconsistent with One Ford though. The idea is to share the 9 platforms and make the most use out of them. Ford has very little use for the Mustang platform besides the Mustang, so it would make sense that Lincoln would utilize it. Mulally even said that there would be no one-off platforms anymore.
I think a RWD coupe based on the mustang is coming for Lincoln, not sure if a RWD sedan, I think for now they are going to keep the FWD for the cars.......the Aviator is going to be the next MKT, not sure if they are going to change the MKT name for Aviator but a new model should be coming in the next years.
 

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Remember Ford has acknowledged many times during the Mustang unveil that there are no plans for anything else on this platform. The Mustang platform is still high-volume, and the One Ford mission means globalization of sales so the Mustang is fulfilling that role. And the Mustang isn't all-new, the investment here isn't as significant as an all-new flexible platform. The Mustang is important enough to remain bespoke, just like the F-150.
 

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^ imho many people&media-critters are asking the wrong question which results in a misleading answer

sorta like the old joke/koan about asking a man if he's stopped beating his wife YET?

I've seen enough "recounting" of off-the-record & 2nd hand info + just plain LOGIC to believe there's way more than smoke ... the/a LincStang was greenlighted more than 2 years ago
(( aside: how long ago do you guys think the MKC was greenlighted?
remember it was mentioned in an offical Announcement in summer 2010
and STILL isn't quite on-sale :toetap: ))

so
what are valid questions:
-- will there be a LS coupe + an LS sportsedan?
-- how close to 3er/ATS size will either of those be?
-- will there be a longer stretched version of the chassis? & how much?
&
my fave questions at this point:
-- HOW will AWD be handled? / How will electrification be handled?
^ imho ^ those last 2 answer EachOther


maybe more after mass quantities of caffeine....


PS: re: original post: I've actually seen the S550 Mustang body listed as 75.4" wide
 

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I'm pretty confident Lincoln has made no decision and is not developing a RWD product at this point. The next MKS is still CD-based like the Taurus, Edge, MKX, Explorer, etc.

The Mustang is a one-off platform that is not adaptable, and it never has been. I realize it will take many years of nothing happening with this before people are once again convinced that this is the case. But I would seriously give up the notion that Lincoln has a RWD sedan available to them just because the Mustang got a new suspension system. In 8-years Lincoln will likely develop a RWD/AWD platform possibly with a next-gen Mustang, but they are not even in the development process at this point. You need allot more patience with Lincoln if you are waiting on RWD platforms. And remember, even RWD Caddy looks at the MKS segment as a volume necessity with the XTS, Lincoln can't charge enough for their cars to justify a RWD flagship anytime soon. And you have to remember that Lincoln is an upstart company that has done almost no engineering on its own, let alone develop a RWD luxury sedan which Ford hasn't even done. It's like Nissan or Toyota developing a truck, or Ford trying to compete with the minivan, they don't know how to do it as well as somebody else and it will cost them twice as much to find that out. Lincoln is a coach-builder at this stage, people under-estimate the scale of the mountain Lincoln has yet to climb. We are talking decades before they can even rival Caddy today!

And if Ford has taught us anything within the last couple of years, they do not think in conventional or obvious ways. Lincoln may yet surprise us, and it doesn't need to start with RWD.

I really can't/won't confirm or deny anything regarding these remarks by Borg, but I will say that he made some very astute observations, for better or worst.
 

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Remember Ford has acknowledged many times during the Mustang unveil that there are no plans for anything else on this platform. The Mustang platform is still high-volume, and the One Ford mission means globalization of sales so the Mustang is fulfilling that role. And the Mustang isn't all-new, the investment here isn't as significant as an all-new flexible platform. The Mustang is important enough to remain bespoke, just like the F-150.
I'm beginning to believe you, unfortunately. I would love to see a platform that can accommodate compact, midsize, and fullsize cars. Doesn't BMW already do that?

What IF this new RWD Lincoln we've been hearing about is on a next generation RWD platform that will be highly flexible?
 

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If Ford can find the ability to create highly flexible platforms, they could probably bring the number down to 3, 4, or 5.
 

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D probably won't be around much longer compared to the others there.
I agree. I see everything moving off the older/heavy Volvo FWD D platform and over to the C/D platform, which allows for the creation of a new RWD 116 wheelbase platform that the RWD MKS and 120+ wheelbase Continental will use.

The dividing line between Ford and Lincoln is the Taurus and MKS that will go their separate ways with platform. Taurus staying FWD and getting a hybrid and hopefully an Energi model. While the MKS goes RWD so Lincoln can finally get some balls.
 

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I know I keep posting this photo :tongue: but I have high hopes that this is a Lincstang RWD coupe for Lincoln Motor Company :rock:
 

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I would love to see RWD in a large Lincoln.
FWD/AWD then for mid, which sells far better anyway.
I would like to see a RWD Lincoln in the compact segment to compete with the 3 series, C class, ATS, A4, IS.........in the midsize segment they have to mak the MKS more competitive to fight the 5 series, A6, CTS......but as you said I would like to see a large RWD Lincoln to compete with S class (my favorite car right now) 7 series, A8, LS
 
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