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Ford S-Max and Galaxy facelifted; 2.0 EB added



Following the Hyundai i30 EcoSport are leaked photos of two other world premieres at the Brussels Motor Show: the new Ford S-Max and Galaxy.

The large monovolumers Ford can weather some for years. Their nose was refreshed with a new bumper and grille. The S-Max distinctive LED daytime dives on. His back also changes the most, especially by the larger light units.

Precise technical details are not yet known, but there is a new two liters EcoBoost petrol by just over 200 hp. Ford offers a diesel drivers for two liters of diesels with outputs are two liters with a 115, 140 and 163 hp. You can also in the S-Max and Galaxy for the first switch with Power-Shift automatic transmission with double clutch.

http://www.autoscoops.eu/nieuws/2009/facelift-ford-s-max-en-galaxy-uitgelekt



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Looks like a cheap MCE to keep buyers interested. Give it a new twist so that it does not look like the one Mrs. Jones bought 3 years ago.
Good move on Fords part
 

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I like the S-Max's MCE :)
...but the HP number doesn't make any sense to me...
These are REAL WORLD number, not the BS that was released with the Explorer America concept (275).

The current 3.5L EB engine makes about 104 hp/liter. Do the math for a 2.0L.

200-210 hp is what I have expected all along. If it does run on E85, the numbers will be higher, but the fuel economy will take a major hit.
 

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These are REAL WORLD number, not the BS that was released with the Explorer America concept (275).

The current 3.5L EB engine makes about 104 hp/liter. Do the math for a 2.0L.

200-210 hp is what I have expected all along. If it does run on E85, the numbers will be higher, but the fuel economy will take a major hit.
BS in your mind perhaps, but the 2.0L EB will be far more than 210HP.

You are basing assumptions on an engine (3.5L GTDI) that is seriously detuned due to FWD applications. You simply know not what you speak of.
 

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a few new official photos


New Ford S-MAX and Galaxy - AutoExpress.co.UK

Revised models on way as firm’s new look debuts

By Dan Strong
15th December 2009
Take a peek at the new-look Fords which will ring the changes for the blue oval in 2010. These are the first official pictures of the facelifted S-MAX and Galaxy – both of which are set to go on sale in March...

more...
 

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This much is true.

I am still surprised that Ford has left such a void in the product mix.
Many people love sliding doors and minivan utility. The Flex bridges that gap, but not quite there.
Both Ford and GM. And with the Ranger, there is another huge Void.
 

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...The current 3.5L EB engine makes about 104 hp/liter. Do the math for a 2.0L...
okie dokie ;)
(the highlighted cells show from which engine the HP per Liter numbers are derived
I 'bracketed' the MKR's 415hp/118.57 per Liter to avoid decimals
)<table cellpadding=5 border=1>
<tr><td align=center>EB disp./HP
</td><td align=center>SHO<br><font size=1>104.28 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>MKR-<br><font size=1>115 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>MKR+<br><font size=1>120 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>'rumor'<br><font size=1>127.5 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>ExplorerAmerica<br><font size=1>140 per Liter</font>
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>3.5
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>365
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>402.5
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>420
</td><td>446.25
</td><td>490
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>2.5
</td><td>260
</td><td>287
</td><td>300
</td><td>318.75
</td><td>350
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>2.0
</td><td>208.5
</td><td>230
</td><td>240
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>255
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>280
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>1.6
</td><td>166.8
</td><td>184
</td><td>192
</td><td>204
</td><td>224
</td></tr>
</table>
so the S-Max's engine must just slightly more limited by it's transmission than the SHO.
Guess that speaks rather highly for its trannie :D
 

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okie dokie ;)
(the highlighted cells show from which engine the HP per Liter numbers are derived
I 'bracketed' the MKR's 415hp/118.57 per Liter to avoid decimals)<TABLE border=1 cellPadding=5>
<TBODY><TR><TD align=middle>EB disp./HP

</TD><TD align=middle>SHO
104.28 per Liter

</TD><TD align=middle>MKR-
115 per Liter

</TD><TD align=middle>MKR+
120 per Liter

</TD><TD align=middle>'rumor'
127.5 per Liter

</TD><TD align=middle>ExplorerAmerica
140 per Liter

</TD></TR>
<TR><TD align=middle>3.5

</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff00>365

</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff00>402.5

</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff00>420

</TD><TD>446.25

</TD><TD>490

</TD></TR>
<TR><TD align=middle>2.5

</TD><TD>260

</TD><TD>287

</TD><TD>300

</TD><TD>318.75

</TD><TD>350

</TD></TR>
<TR><TD align=middle>2.0

</TD><TD>208.5

</TD><TD>230

</TD><TD>240

</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff00>255

</TD><TD bgColor=#ffff00>280

</TD></TR>
<TR><TD align=middle>1.6

</TD><TD>166.8

</TD><TD>184

</TD><TD>192

</TD><TD>204

</TD><TD>224

</TD></TR>


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so the S-Max's engine must just slightly more limited by it's transmission than the SHO.
Guess that speaks rather highly for its trannie :D
Are these Ford V6 Mills? What is the Tq numbers?
 

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the 3.5 is a v6
the others are inline 4 cyls
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since this is just speculation (tho with a partial basis in the real world)
the torque ratings can be pretty much whatever you like, Mbuku ;)
I love the GM type torque numbers. Where you get 400 horses 400 torques, all available somewhere between 1500 RPM and 2000 RPM, all the way to freaking 180 MPH...
nothing beats that sort of American engineering...
 

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<table cellpadding=5 border=1>
<tr><td align=center>EB disp./HP
</td><td align=center>SHO<br><font size=1>104.28 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>MKR-<br><font size=1>115 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>MKR+<br><font size=1>120 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>'rumor'<br><font size=1>127.5 per Liter</font>
</td><td align=center>ExplorerAmerica<br><font size=1>140 per Liter</font>
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>3.5
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>365
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>402.5
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>420
</td><td>446.25
</td><td>490
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>2.5
</td><td>260
</td><td>287
</td><td>300
</td><td>318.75
</td><td>350
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>2.0
</td><td>208.5
</td><td>230
</td><td>240
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>255
</td><td bgcolor=#ffff00>280
</td></tr>
<tr><td align=center>1.6
</td><td>166.8
</td><td>184
</td><td>192
</td><td>204
</td><td>224
</td></tr>
</table>
I don't get your point ?

4 out of 5 columns in your table are concept vehicles/rumor. Only the first column is based on real data submitted to the government.

I will wait until real numbers get published.
 

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^ the first column is the math you suggested, theoldwizard1 ( YW )

the others are what I speculated on free-of-charge :)
imho only the ExplorerAmerica column is a stretch... ...for Production.
the MKR- column I personally consider reasonable,
the MKR+ column is imho quite reachable, &
the 'rumor' column is based on a very reliable source (for the 2.0, as the highlighting indicates), I could have labeled it "forecasted"!

And since we'll probably get a Lot more data as soon as NAIAS;
if I didn't speculate Now, it'd be too late to speculate ;)
 

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^ the first column is the math you suggested, theoldwizard1 ( YW )

the others are what I speculated on free-of-charge :)
imho only the ExplorerAmerica column is a stretch... ...for Production.
the MKR- column I personally consider reasonable,
the MKR+ column is imho quite reachable, &
the 'rumor' column is based on a very reliable source (for the 2.0, as the highlighting indicates), I could have labeled it "forecasted"!

And since we'll probably get a Lot more data as soon as NAIAS;
if I didn't speculate Now, it'd be too late to speculate ;)
Just to add to the list the 1.6 EB gets 180 hp in the C-Max.



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