Ford Inside News banner

1 - 20 of 220 Posts

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
7,893 Posts
Ford Will Ease Into EVs
Starting with plug-in versions of utility vehicles
Autonews

August 28, 2017 @ 12:01 am
Michael Martinez Twitter Facebook RSS feed

DETROIT — Ford Motor Co. plans to bring back a Ford Escape hybrid, this time as a plug-in, and roll out hybrid versions of its full-size SUVs as it makes a bigger push into electrification toward the end of the decade.

The Escape plug-in hybrid, Ford Expedition hybrid and Lincoln Navigator hybrid are scheduled for release in 2019, sources with knowledge of Ford's product plans told Automotive News.

Those vehicles, along with a Lincoln MKC plug-in hybrid also expected in 2019, are four of the 13 electrified models Ford plans to introduce in the next five years. In January, the automaker identified seven of the other models, including hybrid versions of the Mustang and F-150 to be available by 2020.

Ford has said it is investing $4.5 billion to develop the 13 vehicles.

"They're at a critical point in their strategy, and that's trying to balance today and tomorrow," said Jeff Schuster, senior vice president of forecasting at LMC Automotive. "You don't want to go all in on EVs at this point because that's not going to pay the bills and keep the lights on today, but you also don't want to get behind."

Adding hybrid versions of Ford's biggest SUVs makes sense, Schuster said, as the automaker tries to increase fuel economy without creating range anxiety for buyers who tend to take long road trips.

Redesigned, gasoline-powered versions of the Expedition and Navigator will arrive in dealerships this fall as Ford seeks to cash in on a popular segment. LMC has predicted that large SUV sales will grow 25 percent by 2022.

Crossovers continue to be hot as well, so Ford plans to add plug-in hybrid versions of its two compact offerings in 2019. Spy photos of a plug-in Escape surfaced this year, and sources told Automotive News that Ford also plans a plug-in hybrid variant of the MKC, which shares the same platform.

Ford sold a hybrid version of the Escape from 2004 through 2012, when it was discontinued because of slow sales and the launch of the C-Max hatchback, which is available as a plug-in or a traditional hybrid.

A plug-in hybrid can go limited distances without using gasoline and would be more efficient in city centers or on shorter trips, which could appeal to the tech-savvy younger customers of the Escape and MKC.

"Each of these alternative powertrains have advantages and disadvantages," Schuster said. "I think you have to take a basket approach; there's a lot of risk of just focusing on one technology."

Ford sees hybrids, plug-in hybrids and electric vehicles playing a central role in a future shaped by autonomous cars and shared transportation.

Read more.....
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
7,893 Posts
Discussion Starter #2
The article gets rather loose with terms as it refers to a hybrid or plug-in hybrid. With Navigator and Expedition being exported to China, both have to have a plug and at least 31 miles of range to qualify for the new strict clean vehicle incentives. Besides the fact that today, is less about using 'less' fuel, but more about using zero fuel as much as possible and the PHEV offers both the option to plug in and go more miles on electric or get the hybrid mpg on a longer trip that big SUVs are purchased for.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,812 Posts
The MKC is getting a major facelift for 2019 while the Escape will be all-new in 2020, still confused by this product cadence, especially as it relates to electrification.

So we can put names to more than half of the new electrified products.

F-150
Expedition
Navigator
Mustang
Escape
Kuga
MKC
Transit Custom
Model E

The F-150/Expedition/Navigator hybrid will be the biggest news for the EV industry but I suspect GM and RAM will get there first with their 2019 trucks so it's good to get that messaging out ahead of them.

Lincoln could really use an electrified Continental and MKX.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
7,893 Posts
Discussion Starter #4
^...It looks like everything will be offered in hybrid and plug-in hybrid or at this point just plug-in hybrid.

Remember the F-150 Plug-in Hybrid mule with a plug door, which needs a plug if its expected to power equipment on the job etc.



I noticed that the charge plug was moved to the passenger side, which makes sense since on the F-150 it needs to be on the side where work is done, and not the street side. Which explains why the gas filler was moved from the driver's side to the passenger side on the 2018 Expedition and Navigator.




I expect that they will create a door slightly larger than the Navigator side marker which should illuminate.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,812 Posts
Ford is actually exiting the BEV business entirely with the end of the Focus EV. They'll also be down to just 1-Plug-in hybrid with Fusion until 2020. I think this is one of the reasons they want to talk about distant product plans right now because they know it's going to look like they are going in reverse for awhile. But by 2020 they should be closer to catching up to the industry leaders like GM, VW and Toyota which are advancing more aggressively.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
10,933 Posts
GT?
A vehicle that pretty much none of the competition has anything to compete with. Interesting that you wanted to slam Ford for not having an EV (actually you have no idea what they have planned) to compete with the brilliance of GM, but chastise Ford for......oh never mind.


I do think that the halo benefits to Ford, it's racing heritage, return to LeMans, ect...... and even the bolstering of the Performance brand is immeasurable. So, yeah. I think it is very profitable and well worth the investment. Which is quite minimal btw.
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
7,893 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
Toyota sizes up N. American suppliers for EVs
August 28, 2017 @ 12:01 am
http://www.autonews.com/article/20170828/OEM05/170829824/toyota-sizes-up-n-american-suppliers-for-evs

Except for efforts such as the Scion iQ, Toyota largely has been on the EV sidelines until now.

ANN ARBOR, Mich. — Toyota Motor Corp., a late convert to the electric-vehicle movement, is sizing up North American sourcing for components such as power packs, motors and inverters in anticipation of a plunge into electrified vehicle production.

Toyota's North American purchasing arm began assessing the local supply chain more than a year ago as part of the company's decision to set up an in-house division dedicated to developing EVs, said Robert Young, Toyota Motor North America group vice president for purchasing, supplier engineering development, and cost planning.

Japan's biggest automaker is laying the groundwork for an expected ramp-up in electrified vehicles to meet increasingly stringent emissions regulations worldwide. Although Toyota is known for its extensive hybrid vehicle lineup in the United States, the carmaker still lacks the volume to warrant making batteries, motors or transaxles here.

But that will soon change, Young said, as demand picks up for EVs and hybrids.

"If you look over the next decade, it's highly likely we will surpass that tipping point," Young said this month in an interview at Toyota's North American r&d center here. "We look out to the future — either pure EV vehicles and/or EV-related components — we know we're going to have to have the capability to build those here."

Read more....
 

·
Super Moderator
Joined
·
7,893 Posts
Discussion Starter #11
Now at least Ford should be ahead of Toyota as it relates to EV technology. But Toyota has the solid state batteries coming to market by 2020.
 

·
Mercury C557
Joined
·
22,734 Posts
...Toyota long maintained skepticism about EVs in favor of the hybrid technology pioneered by its flagship Prius, as well as the potential for hydrogen fuel cells. But the automaker finally joined the EV race late last year when President Akio Toyoda put himself in charge of a new EV Business Planning Department.

The "in-house venture company" is run by four people, including Toyoda. The others ​ come from Toyota Group suppliers Aisin Seiki Co., Denso Corp. and Toyota Industries Corp.

Toyota is expected to start selling the new EVs in China within the next few years.

The company also has said that in the early 2020s, it intends to introduce vehicles with next-generation solid-state batteries, which enable faster charging and longer range.

The North American sourcing investigation also allows Toyota to evaluate competitors, new technologies and suppliers with which the automaker is not working, said Shinichi Yasui, president of Toyota Motor Engineering & Manufacturing for North America and the company's regional r&d chief.

Toyota executives did not identify which suppliers it is examining in North America. But the companies are typically big global players that can deliver a range of systems, Young said.

The key is finding suppliers in North America that can match Toyota's vehicle design structure, Young said. Most of Toyota's vehicles were developed in Japan, making their architectures geared more toward Japanese suppliers than international ones.

"Something needs to change in the system or we will have to work with the supplier to level-up their capability here," Young said. "We're looking at it on a part-by-part basis."

Toyota's search comes amid blossoming supplier investment in an electrified future.

This month, Chinese private investment group GSR Capital said it would buy Nissan Motor Co.'s electric vehicle battery business, including its battery pack plant in Smyrna, Tenn. That move is seen as freeing the factory to deliver to a wider range of customers across the continent.

And in February, Honda Motor Co. announced plans to form a joint venture with Hitachi Automotive Systems to make electric motors, some at Hitachi plants in Kentucky.

Meanwhile, LG Chem is expanding its EV battery plant in Holland, Mich. LG Chem supplies such North American customers as General Motors, Ford and Fiat Chrysler.
.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,812 Posts
Oh give me a break, the GT is a vanity project from CEO Mark Fields. It has ZERO impact on Ford from a cultural or customer perspective, it's a flash in the pan, an unsustainable 2-year aberration that disappears and has no impact on any other Ford project or technology. I love that it exists, but they could have just as easily sunk that money into an EV instead of a dead-end like this. Ford knows how to waste money as much as the next GM...until the CEO gets fired. I've always said that the moment you see Ford produce halo products like the GT, you know the CEO is probably farting around and neglecting their fiduciary responsibilities.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,013 Posts
The MKC is getting a major facelift for 2019 while the Escape will be all-new in 2020, still confused by this product cadence, especially as it relates to electrification.

So we can put names to more than half of the new electrified products.

F-150
Expedition
Navigator
Mustang
Escape
Kuga
MKC
Transit Custom
Model E

The F-150/Expedition/Navigator hybrid will be the biggest news for the EV industry but I suspect GM and RAM will get there first with their 2019 trucks so it's good to get that messaging out ahead of them.

Lincoln could really use an electrified Continental and MKX.
RAM and GM with electrified truck before Ford? Ha! .. They still are pending to catch Ford in the use of aluminum. Once that was accomplished , they will try to put something "electric" in their trucks like Ford.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,013 Posts
Ford is actually exiting the BEV business entirely with the end of the Focus EV. They'll also be down to just 1-Plug-in hybrid with Fusion until 2020. I think this is one of the reasons they want to talk about distant product plans right now because they know it's going to look like they are going in reverse for awhile. But by 2020 they should be closer to catching up to the industry leaders like GM, VW and Toyota which are advancing more aggressively.
Catchig up the industry leaders? That´s what you call to produce the first electrified full size pick up truck, the first electrified full size SUV, the first electrified full size luxury SUV, the first electrified pony car? I think rigth now Ford is behind every one in the industry in the electric/hybrid/plug-in-hybrid vehicles field, but by 2020 will be ahead every body.

Is easier to produce a luxury electric sedan (Tesla) with sales around 90000 per year, or a new compact hatchback (VW) , than to produce an electrified version of the best seller vehicle in USA, a pick up truck used for hard work and with sales of more than 800000 units per year. If Ford can do it, will be the leader of the industry in the electric area.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,013 Posts
Do you think the Ford GT is profitable?

Do you think the Audi R8 is profitable? Do you think the Acura NSX is profitable? Those cars, like the Ford GT, are Halo cars... their function is to attract buyers to the dealers , to show the advanced tech and improve the image of the brand, not to produce money. The GT is the perfect halo car-
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
5,013 Posts
Oh give me a break, the GT is a vanity project from CEO Mark Fields. It has ZERO impact on Ford from a cultural or customer perspective, it's a flash in the pan, an unsustainable 2-year aberration that disappears and has no impact on any other Ford project or technology. I love that it exists, but they could have just as easily sunk that money into an EV instead of a dead-end like this. Ford knows how to waste money as much as the next GM...until the CEO gets fired. I've always said that the moment you see Ford produce halo products like the GT, you know the CEO is probably farting around and neglecting their fiduciary responsibilities.

"The GT has ZERO impact on Ford from a cultural or customer perspective" "Is an unsustainable 2 year aberration" " and has no impact on any other Ford project or tech".

Are you sure? Really? Ask customers... ask those customers that want one and cant because all are sold out. Ask the racing industry about this car. And about the use of its tech in other projects (use of carbon fiber, aluminum, Turbo V6 engines, proccesors and computers) , read this article : http://www.pcworld.com/article/2917284/the-ford-gt-is-absolutely-sick-with-high-tech-innovation-and-you-need-to-know-why.html

What do you think about this others aberrations like the Audi R8 or the Honda/Acura NSX? Are aberrations, too? Maybe not, because are produced by Audi and Honda.... Or maybe Honda CEO are "neglecting his fiduciary responsabilities" like the Audi CEO, too. Although i tend to think that this last guy is busy approving illegal devices to cheat the enviromental rules and had not time to produce "aberrations".
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,270 Posts
Are our electric grids ready for the increased demand due to the electrification of vehicles?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,812 Posts
Catchig up the industry leaders? That´s what you call to produce the first electrified full size pick up truck, the first electrified full size SUV, the first electrified full size luxury SUV, the first electrified pony car? I think rigth now Ford is behind every one in the industry in the electric/hybrid/plug-in-hybrid vehicles field, but by 2020 will be ahead every body.

Is easier to produce a luxury electric sedan (Tesla) with sales around 90000 per year, or a new compact hatchback (VW) , than to produce an electrified version of the best seller vehicle in USA, a pick up truck used for hard work and with sales of more than 800000 units per year. If Ford can do it, will be the leader of the industry in the electric area.
Not exactly first.


 
1 - 20 of 220 Posts
Top