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In a recent report by the IIHS, they say that within the sea of Asian cars, the Lincoln Continental was the only car to get a Top Safety Pick+ award. The 2017 Ford Fusion had it, but was demoted to just Top Safety Pick, now IIHS is saying they don't even get that anymore. I also thought the F150, Escape and Expedition had +'s. How can Ford improve on safety?

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/12/here-are-15-safest-cars-for-2018-and.html?m=1
 

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IIHS's Up, UP, and BEYOND... ...Safety Ratings

if I counted right, there were 71 models with the PLUS ( + ) rating last year
compared to only 15 this year:


2018my Top Safety Pick+

Small cars
Kia Forte (sedan)
Kia Soul
Subaru Impreza
Subaru WRX

Midsize cars
Subaru Legacy
Subaru Outback
Toyota Camry

Large luxury cars
BMW 5 series
Genesis G80
Genesis G90
Lincoln Continental
Mercedes-Benz E-Class (sedan)

Midsize SUVs
Hyundai Santa Fe
Hyundai Santa Fe Sport

Midsize Luxury SUVs
Mercedes-Benz GLC



2018my Top Safety Pick (less than PLUS ( + ))

Small cars
Chevrolet Volt
Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid
Hyundai Elantra
Hyundai Elantra GT
Mazda 3
Subaru Crosstrek
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Prius
Toyota Prius Prime

Midsize cars
Honda Accord
Hyundai Sonata
Kia Optima
Nissan Altima
Nissan Maxima

Midsize luxury cars
Alfa Romeo Giulia
Audi A3
Audi A4
BMW 3 series (sedan)
Lexus ES
Lexus IS
Volvo S60
Volvo V60

Large cars
Kia Cadenza
Toyota Avalon

Small SUVs
Honda CR-V
Hyundai Tucson
Kia Sportage
Mazda CX-3
Mazda CX-5
Mitsubishi Outlander
Nissan Rogue
Subaru Forester
Toyota RAV4

Midsize SUVs
Honda Pilot
Kia Sorento
Mazda CX-9
Toyota Highlander

Midsize luxury SUVs
Acura MDX
Acura RDX
Buick Envision
Lexus NX
Lexus RX
Mercedes-Benz GLE-Class
Volvo XC60

Minivans
Chrysler Pacifica
Honda Odyssey

Large pickup
Honda Ridgeline
 

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Re: Ford's Up and Down Safety Ratings

In a recent report by the IIHS, they say that within the sea of Asian cars, the Lincoln Continental was the only car to get a Top Safety Pick+ award. The 2017 Ford Fusion had it, but was demoted to just Top Safety Pick, now IIHS is saying they don't even get that anymore. I also thought the F150, Escape and Expedition had +'s. How can Ford improve on safety?

http://www.carscoops.com/2017/12/here-are-15-safest-cars-for-2018-and.html?m=1
I believe they added headlights as a requirement to get the + now, and I know for whatever reason, they rate many of the Ford headlights low, so that likely hurt a few vehicles' scores.
 
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Headlights to get +. Do they not think any Fords deserve at least Top Safety Pick?
 

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Re: Ford's Up and Down Safety Ratings

Watch Toyota fail at something! :toyota:


2015 Toyota Rav4 still not protected on passenger side. (applies to 2016- present as well)

 

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And sorry xD No safety form is complete without this: :facepalm:


This one scared the **** out of me when I started watching IIHS on YouTube.
 

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I remember this from a while back.

https://www.carscoops.com/2017/06/kia-tops-jd-power-initial-quality-study/

I don't remember what reminded me of it.

Good job Ford for scoring 4th place overall and 2nd Non-Luxury for initial quality.

Here's an article about how they scored so high. I hope they're able to keep it up! I'm surprised they overthrew Toyota.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20170625/OEM06/170629840/ford-quality-jdpower-ranking

I don't remember if I asked this (if at all). How much does the IQS matter to you?

Your next job, Ford is to turn this around:



I believe in you!

What are everyone's thoughts on IQS and the Dependability Survey? (Also Consumer Reports)?
 

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The 2018 JD Power VDS has been published, and (yay!) Ford has moved up! But so has the industry average...Now at 142 from 156 last year.

2018 U.S. Vehicle Dependability Study rankings

Lexus 99 (problems per 100 vehicles)

Porsche 100

Buick 116

Infiniti 120

Kia 122

Chevrolet 124

Hyundai 124

BMW 127

Toyota 127

Lincoln 133

Nissan 133

Honda 140

Audi 141

Industry Average 142

Mazda 144

Mercedes-Benz 147

Ford 152

Mini 153

GMC 156

Volkswagen 157

Acura 159

Jaguar 159

Volvo 162

Dodge 166

Ram 167

Subaru 167

Mitsubushi 173

Cadillac 186

Jeep 188

Fiat 192

Land Rover 204

Chrysler 211

 

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It's amazing how much Hyundai/Kia have flipped the script from worst to best in terms of both safety and quality. Detroit is definitely the least consistent.

Ford has several problems with IIHS, most of their products can't score good on their small overlap tests. The other problem is the lack of standard (or available) emergency auto-braking which is something the Japanese and Koreas have really pioneered. But I really think IIHS should start testing those systems as well (if they haven't already), it's possible they aren't all equal. Ford is now making the tech standard fairly quickly across the line starting in 2019. It's another case of being late but rolling out on a bigger scale once they show up. And I'm willing to bet Ford has a pretty good system. Their crashworthiness is another issue unfortunately, there's no getting around the reality of bad safety engineering if you flunk those tests while your competitors ace them. They simply made the choice not to prioritize this type of metric but are responding well to regulatory and 3rd party scrutiny and competition. This is why Ford needs a ton of scrutiny for motivation (remember the huge discrepancy in F-150 crashworthiness because of the undisclosed optional reinforcements?). The other problem are Ford's atrocious headlights, which are all equally terrible no matter what kind of fixture you get, but since Lincoln can do better with Continental than it stands to reason it's cost related rather than expertise.
 

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Glad to see Ford and Lincoln both with significantly less PP100.




As for the Top Pick + , I've driven Fords for over 35 years, and have never had headlight issues of any sort.
 

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Also good to see Lincoln above the Industry average. I'm guessing the reason Ford isn't quite there yet because the issues with the Focus and Fiesta need to subside. the MK4 Focus is critical for their VDS ranking. Once that happens and the Focus gets a new transmission, and the Fiesta goes away, I expect them to be very high on this list.


I might even see 2nd Place in Ford's future.


(Lexus XX
Ford XXX
Kia XXX)
 

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