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Automotive Industry Annoyed China Gets to Decide What Engines It Offers
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- By Matt Posky on June 20, 2017


With the possible exception of the United States in the near future, emission regulations are getting harsher everywhere. Nowhere is that more true than China. Not only does Asia’s most populous country have some of the most stringent emission requirements for new cars, it also has the strictest sales quotas for electrically powered vehicles on the planet. Too strict, according to some automakers.

A Chinese draft regulation issued last week stipulates automakers must sell enough electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles to comprise 8 percent of total volume by 2018, 10 percent by 2019, and 12 percent by 2020. This comes after talks between Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and German Chancellor Angela Merkel that hinted China might have mercy on Germany manufacturers.

While Volkswagen has pleaded for China to reconsider the timeline, it has specified that it would adhere to the 2018 standards if forced to do so. Meanwhile, BMW flat-out said it couldn’t.

“Just like all the others, we were below 6 percent last year, and I mean significantly below,” BMW China chief Olaf Kastner told Automotive News China in the country where the carmaker has a joint venture with Brilliance China Automotive Holdings.

However, it’s not just German automakers that should be concerned. Most major manufacturers are trying to establish strong global sales while targeting China as a part of that endeavor. But the rules are different in China. Not only do companies have to get into bed with a Chinese firm just to do business inside the country, the stiff regulations are shaping the type of cars they can sell. The only way to stop this from influencing the sort of vehicles automakers sell worldwide is to have region-specific models, abandon the Chinese market, or play ball and offer more BEVs or plug-ins immediately.

According to Reuters, the most recent legislative draft by China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology is open for public comment until June 27. German Chancellor Angela Merkel announced at the start of the month that China had agreed to concessions on the timeline of quotas, but the most current draft does not reflect that. It’s unchanged from one issued in September, with no alterations relating to the proposed Merkel rescheduling.

Dominik Declercq, China’s representative for the European Automobile Manufacturers Association, said the new draft indicated China definitely had not changed its mind on the issue. “That’s what it looks like: no compromise, no concession,” Declercq explained.

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China upholds strict electric car sales quotas despite industry protests
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-Technology News | Tue Jun 13, 2017 | By Michael Martina and Norihiko Shirouzu | BEIJING


China upheld strict sales quotas for electrically powered vehicles in a draft regulation issued on Tuesday, ignoring concessions agreed between Chinese Premier Li Keqiang and German Chancellor Angela Merkel earlier this month.

The draft, posted on the website of the Legislative Affairs Office for China's cabinet, maintains that automakers must sell enough electric or plug-in hybrid vehicles to generate "credits" equivalent to 8 percent of sales by 2018, 10 percent by 2019 and 12 percent by 2020 - criteria many in the industry deem too ambitious.

The number of credits per car is based on the level of electrification.

Merkel and Li did not give specifics on June 1 when stating that China would make concessions on the quotas, but industry sources told Reuters the two leaders had agreed to delay the 8 percent requirement to 2019 and allow automakers that missed the quota in early years to make up for it later on.

The latest draft by China's Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, open for public comment until June 27, is largely unchanged from one issued in September, with no change to the timings.

Dominik Declercq, China representative for the European Automobile Manufacturers Association, said the new draft indicated China had not changed its stance on the policy.

"That's what it looks like: no compromise, no concession," Declercq told Reuters.

German Ambassador to China Michael Clauss said: "It seems that the political leadership has understood that this is a problem but there seems to be a disconnect between them and the working level at MIIT."

China has been pushing to get more electric vehicles on its roads as soon as possible in order to fight urban air pollution but automakers and industry bodies have said the targets are too tough, while German policymakers say they fear they are part of a Chinese strategy to help domestic carmakers overtake global rivals in developing 'green' vehicles.

The quotas would come on top of stricter fuel economy requirements that are set to gradually become among the world's toughest by 2020.

The quota proposals had met with requests by carmakers such as Volkswagen AG (VOWG_p.DE) to be given more time to meet them, although VW's management has said it is prepared to comply with the 2018 quota if the government insisted.
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Well, China does have an emergency situation happening with air quality. But maybe they also need to deal with their foundries.... Don't think they can even use solar at this point.

 

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At 8%, Ford needs to sell over 7,000 plug-in hybrid or EVs monthly in China starting Jan 2018.

And in China, Ford does not get to use any of that vague 'electrified vehicle' terminology. It must be a plug-in hybrid or full EV.

So what's Ford gonna do....they have a 2025 plan, but what about 2018, 2019 and 2020?

"The Mondeo Energi brings the benefits of electrification without range limitations, easily adapting to customers’ lifestyles while saving fuel and reducing emissions. It will feature an electric drive range of up to 50 kilometers(31 EV miles), fast torque on demand, smooth acceleration and a quiet operation."

Ford is stuffing a larger battery pack OR more powerful battery cells in the China Mondeo Energi to meet requirements for incentives for 2018.

Wow...bet they wished the had offered the Escape Energi and Focus Energi years ago when Alan was in charge. Along with the MKZ Energi. Maybe China will finally get a New Taurus Energi, along with a Continental Energi, they both have huge trunks. It's the same tech as in the Mondeo Energi. I still don't see why Taurus and Continental especially for China did not come with an Energi model.
 

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...Wow...bet they wished the had offered the Escape Energi and Focus Energi years ago when Alan was in charge. Along with the MKZ Energi. Maybe China will finally get a New Taurus Energi, along with a Continental Energi, they both have huge trunks. It's the same tech as in the Mondeo Energi. I still don't see why Taurus and Continental especially for China did not come with an Energi model.
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Ford could have offered a great many things that may not have met expectations. The C2 platform appears to be a poor platform for electrification since it was never designed for that purpose so the batteries are too small and efficiency is low (weight, drag, etc.). The C-Max for example is less efficient than the Fusion, that probably would have been much worse with Escape.

Again I think Ford is going to fix this in a fairly significant way that can spread to far more products, probably more than any other carmaker. So Ford will likely arrive in full force when it needs to in China. I think it's going to be a bigger challenge in the US to make their electrification investment payoff, but generally speaking their investment is fairly modest and the systems are integrated into multiple higher volume products.
 

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The C2 platform appears to be a poor platform for electrification since it was never designed for that purpose so the batteries are too small and efficiency is low (weight, drag, etc.). The C-Max for example is less efficient than the Fusion, that probably would have been much worse with Escape.

C2 platform has not been launched yet.
 

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posting here cuz imho this all about China sales...

report: BMW, with eye on Tesla, to introduce electric 3 series
Reuters/Automotive News » Future Product

Edward Taylor - Tom Sims - June 28, 2017

FRANKFURT -- BMW plans to introduce an electric version of its popular 3 series in September ( THIS September! ), a move designed to fend off rival Tesla, Handelsblatt reported on Wednesday.

The German automaker will present the vehicle at the Frankfurt auto show in September, the paper said.

The electrified 3 series, which is a high volume sales model, will have a range of 248 miles (400 km) and is seen as a direct response to the early success of Tesla's Model 3, which goes on sale later this year, according to Handelsblatt.

Tesla has received hundreds of thousands of reservations, with a deposit of $1,000 each, for the Model 3. Tesla plans to start volume output of the Model 3 in July.

BMW declined to comment.
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^...not if the Electric 3-Series is in the same price ballpark as the Model 3, that changes everything...but in a good way. I would love to have a 3-Series EV, along with the instant torque and drastically reduced maintenance that comes with an EV.
 

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Honda Charges Up Its Electric Game With Joint Motor Company
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- By Steph Willems on July 3, 2017


Following early technological success in the electric car field, Honda entered the 21st century with a newfound aim to place hybrid vehicles in the driveways of global carbuyers. While rival Toyota’s hybrids have garnered the most headlines and sales, no one can criticize Honda (CR-Z notwithstanding) for the continued refinement of its electrified powertrains. Just look at the most recent Accord Hybrid or Acura’s growing list of performance-oriented multi-motor products.

Still, as fully electric vehicles began emerging on the scene, Honda found itself lagging behind. The Clarity EV, an electric version of its second-generation fuel cell vehicle, arrives this summer with a paltry 80-mile range. However, we’re promised much more in the year ahead.

As it moves forward with its EV plans, Honda also wants to have a stake in the supply of EV components to automakers — namely, electric motors. As of today, Honda and partner Hitachi have a name for their joint venture: Hitachi Automotive Motor Systems Limited.

Following a joint agreement signed in March, each company has put up 5 billion yen ($44.1 million) towards the creation of the new business. Located on the premises of Hitachi’s existing Japanese automotive systems operation, Honda claims the facility is devoted to the “development, manufacture and sales of motors for electric vehicles.”

The automaker’s 49-percent share means Hitachi gets the naming glory.

“The new company will respond to the growing global demand from automakers for electric vehicle motors by developing competitive motors that combine the expertise of the two companies,” Honda stated in a news release this morning. It’s naturally assumed Honda’s product line will become a destination for the company’s motors.

When will Hitachi Automotive Motor Systems Limited produce its first marketable product? At this early point, there’s no word on timelines. Honda has set a goal for two-thirds of its fleet to offer alternative fuel propulsion by 2030, and has promised two new EVs for 2018 — one destined only for China, the other a global model. Presumably, the global model should possess a competitive range. These days, that means meeting the 200-plus-mile capability of the Tesla Model 3 and Chevrolet Bolt.

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We can thank the impending death of Diesel in Europe for their strong interest in Electrification which should help to accelerate development and adoption among all manufacturers, although it's likely that Electrification will remain mostly a fashion and performance choice in the US which makes it better suited to performance luxury brands. Ford's EV approach is less visible, more like an engine option, but Europe may force them to have a bit more fun with it than they do now. Hoping a EV Mustang isn't just about fuel economy personally. But anything that makes electrification more attainable and less gimmicky than it is now, I'm all for it. I don't think Ford will be a pioneer here but they won't be left behind either which is reassuring.
 

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France To Ban Sales Of Gas, Diesel Vehicles By 2040
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- Nick Saporito - July 7, 2017


France has announced it will join a growing list of countries planning the demise of the internal combustion engine. The European nation announced Thursday it plans to ban the sale of all gasoline and diesel powered vehicles in the country by year 2040.

The announcement announcement was made by France's environmental minister, Nicolas Hulot. Hulot referred to the planned ban as "a very difficult objective" for automakers, but noted that the technology exists to make it a reality. Despite France's perceived aggressive with this ban, it isn't as aggressive as other countries' plan to ditch internal combustion engines.

Norway has announced plans to sell exclusively electric vehicles in its country by 2025, India is targeting 2030 for the same goal...

MotorAuthority: "The parliament of the Netherlands has passed a motion which would require that all new cars sold by 2025 will have to be electrified in some way, rather than fueled solely by gasoline or diesel..."

MotorAuthority: "The sale of gasoline- and diesel-powered cars in Germany may end up being prohibited as early as 2030, if guidelines set out in a resolution passed by the German upper house are adopted..."

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Global: First in (Electro-)Ecology ...depending on Location Location Location

EPA Says a Chevrolet Volt Is Barely Greener Than a Toyota Prius
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- By Jeff Cobb on July 8, 2017


...going just by the simple online tool the government provides, the Volt averages 200 grams/mile and the Prius averages 205 grams/mile in total tailpipe plus upstream emissions.

Based on an assumed 15,000 miles per year, and 45 percent highway/55 percent city driving, the EPA says the Volt edges out the Prius by a mere 165 pounds of CO2 emitted per year in its imaginary textbook world.

When cars are measured in terms of tons of CO2 per year, 165 pounds is not a huge edge...

...drill down by zip code to get a better grasp of the upstream emissions for plug-in electrified cars in their region.

In a place where more coal is used, such as Akron, Ohio, a 205 gram/mile Prius emits less CO2 than a Volt, which the EPA estimates at 230 grams/mile.

If one lives, say, in Hartford, Connecticut, as noted by Mark Renburke, Executive Director of Drive Electric America, the Volt scores well with a cleaner 150 grams/mile while the Prius stays constant at an estimated 205 grams/mile.

A similar advantage is found in Long Beach, California, which has a cleaner grid, in which the EPA says the Volt nets 140 grams/mile while the Prius stays constant at 205. Though cost of said energy may be another matter, here we’re just looking at greenhouse emissions.


The takeaway, notes Renburke, is it all depends on where you live.

“If you live in California or Connecticut, the Volt is the clear lower emissions champ,” he says. “But if you live in Colorado or Kansas, the Prius edges it out with lower CO2 per mile driven. And if you live in Tennessee or some parts of Texas, it might just be a wash.”

According to the Union of Concerned Scientists, EVs – which the Volt essentially is, with extended range – produce fewer emissions in 70 percent of the country compared to a gasoline car that gets 50 miles to the gallon (the Prius gets 52-56 mpg).

“On average, today’s electric vehicles are as clean as gasoline cars that get 73 miles to the gallon,” says the UCS...
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Re: Global: First in ...in supplying batteries?

Industry needs 40 gigafactories...
...sees huge shortage of batteries by 2025

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- Christiaan Hetzner - July 10, 2017 06:01 CET


EHRA-LESSIEN, Germany — A massive shortage of lithium ion battery cells could plague the global car industry in the coming decade if capacity equivalent to 40 Tesla gigafactories is not added by 2025...

...For that reason, German supplier Robert Bosch is considering whether to manufacture battery cells. If so, it may choose solid-state technology where there is no electrolyte liquid to transport ions back and forth when charging and discharging energy. One advantage is greater safety should a crash compromise the structural integrity of the cell.

"We are in the middle of development work. That means we are producing new results every week," Bosch Mobility Solutions chief Rolf Bulander told Automotive News Europe last week. A decision would likely be made at year end at ​ the earliest.

One solution that could help reduce industry constraints could be a next generation of battery technology. The greater the energy density of the cells, the fewer factories are needed to produce the same capacity...

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Re: Global: First in (Electro-)Ecology? ...in R*A*C*I*N*G??

BMW to race in Formula E starting in 2018/2019 season
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- Viknesh Vijayenthiran - Jul 11, 2017

...The 2018/2019 season will see Formula E take the next major step towards becoming a credible form of motorsport. It’s when teams will finally start using a single car per race, rather than the current two due to batteries not holding enough charge to last a race.

Teams will be using common chassis supplied by Spark Technologies, as they do currently. The chassis design for the 2018/2019 is said to be adopting a new, futuristic look. Teams will also be using common batteries supplied by McLaren Applied Technologies, though they’ll be responsible for their own powertrain, transmission, suspension and software systems.

BMW says the lessons learned in Formula E should help the development of its next-generation electric cars. As BMW explains, Formula E is the “perfect development laboratory” for electric car technology.

Other automakers already competing in Formula E are DS (from Citroën), Faraday Future(?), Jaguar, Mahindra, Nio (formerly NextEV), Renault and Venturi. Mercedes-Benz has been reserved one of two available spots for the 2018/2019 season but is yet to announce a commitment...
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Re: Global: First in ...in supplying batteries? ...& scratching backs!

Elon Musk: U.S. Will Get “Two or Three” More Tesla Gigafactories
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- Alex Nishimoto - July 17, 2017


...Making the announcement in a room full of governors was no accident. The move was likely an attempt to initiate a bidding war for the massive plants...
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German firm plans Tesla Gigafactory-rivaling battery plant
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- Sean Szymkowski - Aug 6, 2017
Flat lithium-ion battery (surfboard) for next-generation Mercedes-Benz electric cars

The race to capitalize on the growing need for electric car batteries is well and truly underway.

Although Tesla has an early start with its massive 35-gigawatt-hour Gigafactory, a German firm has announced plans for its own battery plant to rival Tesla's operation.

A consortium known as Terra E plans to finalize the site for a 34-gigawatt-hour battery plant next month and will break ground in 2019. Most of the candidate sites for the plant are in Germany, though a neighboring country isn't off the table, per CEO Holger Gritzka.

“We have to be better in process technology than competitors, a constant step ahead,” Gritzka told Bloomberg during a recent interview.

South Korea's LG Chem and Samsung currently dominate battery production, but Tesla is poised to become the second-largest battery maker once its Nevada-based Gigafactory is at full capacity. Investment in Tesla's plant will total $5 billion, though a large chunk of this will come from Tesla battery partner Panasonic.

German automaker Volkswagen has vast plans to electrify its vehicle lineup in the coming years, and the automaker has said current battery production simply will not meet the requirements for future electric car production. Other automakers, particularly those in Germany, are also jumping on the bandwagon. The news of Terra E's battery plant follows Daimler's start of construction on a second battery plant. The facility will assemble lithium-ion batteries for the company's automotive brands as well as new energy storage business.

The increased output will more than double battery production from today's current levels of 103 gigawatt-hours to 278 gigawatt-hours in 2021 as batteries become more commonplace in energy storage and in vehicle applications.
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Domestic: First in (Electro-)Ecology? ...in regulations?

Washington (state, Not D.C) should lead in phasing out gasoline
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- MATTHEW METZ - August 06, 2017


As Washington state and Olympia seek ways to combat climate change, we should adopt a key strategy advanced by a growing list of countries and companies: phasing out gasoline and diesel.

Germany, India, Norway and the Netherlands plan to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles by or before 2030, and France by 2040. Volvo will stop selling gas-only vehicles in 2019, while Tesla and Chevrolet are already making affordable cars that get more than 215 miles per charge.

Unfortunately, Washington is falling behind in the clean-transportation race. Our electric charging infrastructure is patchy and inadequate. Incentives for purchasing electric cars are minimal. Gasoline consumption is high and growing, and we have no plan for phasing it out. Of the 6.4 million cars and trucks registered in Washington, a tiny number—about 25,000--are electric.

There are many economic, environmental and public health reasons to get off gas:
Cars and trucks account for nearly 45 percent of our region’s carbon footprint.
We used a record 2.78 billion gallons of gasoline in Washington State in 2015. Every gallon of gasoline releases 20 pounds of carbon dioxide.
Washington spends more than $6 billion annually on gasoline, most of which goes to out-of-state fossil fuel companies to finance drilling, fracking, pipelines and destructive environmental practices.
Driving electric vehicles will save the average Washington family about $1,200 a year in fuel costs.
Washington has clean and low-cost hydroelectric power, making electric vehicles a sensible and cost-effective solution.
Car and truck exhaust is responsible for 53,000 deaths annually in the United States.

Washington State and Olympia should implement the following policies:
Adopt a phase-out date of 2030 for the sale of new gasoline and diesel vehicles, consistent with the global trend.
Plan for and build the charging infrastructure necessary for mass electric vehicle adoption.
Create incentives to spur the sale of electric vehicles including preferential HOV lane access, lower tolls, vehicle registration discounts, and preferred parking.
Increase funding for infrastructure for public transportation, bicycling and walking.

Governor Inslee recently committed, with the governors of California and New York, to abide by the Paris climate accord and to aggressively cut carbon emissions. Phasing out our use of liquid fossil fuels will meet that commitment.

Washington state and Olympia and have a strong environmental ethos and a track record of leadership on green initiatives that are key to our region’s economic success and quality of life. We don’t take our cues on climate from the Trump administration, but rather from our peers in leading countries. Furthermore, we should not breathe toxic auto exhaust when the Germans, Norwegians, Dutch and French are not.

By phasing out gasoline and diesel, Washington can become an innovation hub for a fossil-fuel free world. Let’s not cede leadership to Germany, India, Silicon Valley or other regions. Rather, let’s create a world-class clean transportation system that improves our health, wealth and climate.
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DownUnder: First in mega-battery storage? 100 DAYS from...

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All The Details On Tesla's Giant Australian Battery
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- Campbell Simpson - July 9, 2017


..."Upon completion by December 2017, this system will be the largest lithium-ion battery storage project in the world and will provide enough power for more than 30,000 homes, approximately equal to the amount of homes that lost power during the blackout period."...

... Tesla will have a little over three months to set up the PowerPack substation. SolarCity co-founder and cousin of Musk, Lyndon Rive, previously said at an event in SA that between 100 and 300 megawatts of storage would solve South Australia's energy issues...
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