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So after doing my comparison of Cadillac and Lincoln sales of the past 10 years I decided to compare all the competitors in the price class including Jaguar / Land Rover combined and Volvo and the outcome is quite interesting. I thought this could make for some fun discussion.

In 2005 only 2 brands were sub 100k that was Audi and JLR. In 2015 again only 2 brands were sub 100k but this time Volvo and JLR again. Volvo and JLR on the upswing though. I highlighted 2009 because every brand was hit that year from the recession some got hit worse than others but take a look at Audi they went up and never looked back that's impressive! Also notice the top 3 BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus there's a noticeable gap between them and everyone else.



 

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Thanks for putting that together. It's definitely interesting to see the sales patterns and trends. Also nice to see Lincoln headed in the right direction.

I didn't realize the "Big 3" luxury brands sold that many units a year! And the noticeable gap between them and the rest as you mentioned.
 

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So after doing my comparison of Cadillac and Lincoln sales of the past 10 years I decided to compare all the competitors in the price class including Jaguar / Land Rover combined and Volvo and the outcome is quite interesting. I thought this could make for some fun discussion.

In 2005 only 2 brands were sub 100k that was Audi and JLR. In 2015 again only 2 brands were sub 100k but this time Volvo and JLR again. Volvo and JLR on the upswing though. I highlighted 2009 because every brand was hit that year from the recession some got hit worse than others but take a look at Audi they went up and never looked back that's impressive! Also notice the top 3 BMW, Mercedes, and Lexus there's a noticeable gap between them and everyone else.
:thumb: :clap: :thumb: molto grazie!!

I had no idea Lexoid used to be ON TOP

nor basically TIEing BMW now
WHEN did the predator grille fiasco start?
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as you point out re: AUDI
they were barely affected by the EEKonomy even - darn close to parr with 2005

playing with your chart: added space for 3 years after stretching vertical and moving the labels (always hard for me to grasp the lines otherwise :joyous:)
 

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since I just finished posting all the Other Mfgs' year-end sales numbers for 2015 (LINK)
thought I might use December and full-year %-changed as a 'vector-range' to speculate those guys' movement
( sorta like hurricane forecasting :joyous: )
if anyone else thinks that interesting & is QUICKER than me (not hard) . . .
 

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Lexus had over 344k sales, with over 100k for RX and over 46k for IS and over 64k for ES, NX at 43k with the rest of the lineup adding less than 30k each.

If Lincoln could just pull half as many sales for MKX, MKZ is doing well at over 30k, but the big gap is a sub-midsize RWD performance sedan that will outsell MKZ.

This new mid-size sedan could share platform components with the next gen Focus sedan, with a wheelbase that should be over 110 inches. Lincoln has no option but to produce this sedan if they want to compete with the competition or reach the 300k sales number for 2020.

And hopefully Lincoln learns from Cadillac's mistake.

1. Don't just make make a smaller version of an old person's car, with an old person's interior.

To compete in this segment, the newcomer MUST
 

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Lexus had over 344k sales, with over 100k for RX and over 46k for IS and over 64k for ES, NX at 43k with the rest of the lineup adding less than 30k each.

If Lincoln could just pull half as many sales for MKX, MKZ is doing well at over 30k, but the big gap is a sub-midsize RWD performance sedan that will outsell MKZ.

This new mid-size sedan will need a new platform at least 110 inches. Sharing with Focus won't work. But Lincoln has no option but to produce this RWD/AWD sedan if they want to compete with the competition or reach the 300k sales number for 2020. They can't get there without this model. BMW, MB or Lexus could not get there either.

New MKS 'should' become the new performance sedan, produced from round up to compete in that segment globally. Following in GM's footsteps, the new RWD/AWD platform for 'MKS' would also be used as the new platform for next gen Mustang. Mustang needs this for a lighter platform and AWD. This is not rocket science....GM has already shown us what the plan is and how it works. Remember.....there is a 'white space' sedan in the plan for Lincoln.

GM's big flaw with the ATS is that they modeled it on a big old person's car that younger people don't really want. Continental would be a different story, as it will be what younger people want but can't afford, but can afford the New MKS....globally.

MKZ has to move up to fill the space the current MKS holds. ES has already moved up market and left MKZ behind. 2017 MKZ update should help, but new model is needed with more interior and trunk volume, and more of a smaller sibling of the New Continental from end to end.
 

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Lexus had over 344k sales, with over 100k for RX and over 46k for IS and over 64k for ES, NX at 43k with the rest of the lineup adding less than 30k each.

If Lincoln could just pull half as many sales for MKX, MKZ is doing well at over 30k, but the big gap is a sub-midsize RWD performance sedan that will outsell MKZ.

This new mid-size sedan will need a new platform at least 110 inches. Sharing with Focus won't work. But Lincoln has no option but to produce this RWD/AWD sedan if they want to compete with the competition or reach the 300k sales number for 2020. They can't get there without this model. BMW, MB or Lexus could not get there either.
New *** 'should' become the new performance sedan, produced from round up to compete in that segment globally. Following in GM's footsteps, the new RWD/AWD platform for '***' would also be used as the new platform for next gen Mustang. Mustang needs this for a lighter platform and AWD. This is not rocket science....GM has already shown us what the plan is and how it works. Remember.....there is a 'white space' sedan in the plan for Lincoln.
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MKZ has to move up to fill the space the current MKS holds. ES has already moved up market and left MKZ behind. 2017 MKZ update should help, but new model is needed with more interior and trunk volume, and more of a smaller sibling of the New Continental from end to end.

WOW, Bloggin, re:

I'd love it if you'd 'expound' on your vision in the STARstang thread...
...I'm possibly Stuck with thinking of it/them as Only over-$50k
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not sure about making the Z significantly larger - imho a good part of the 3rd gen CTS's problem is girth
as well as price-girth too of course


edit
just now wondering about using "Mark" for the *stangs BUT not alone
since I've 'got' electros as well as petrol(-plug-ins & E-wds), thinking:
Mark E
Mark H?
Mark R?
Mark ?

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well ... it's COLORFUL :nevreness:


oh yeah - - analysis:
prolley an artifact but looks like 4 (FOUR) groupings emerging

smallest spread = most consistent Dec-vs-Year = JLR, Lincoln, MB, Audi
widest spread = NOT consistent = Cadillac, BMW, Volvo, &
(edit)Lexus
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as mentioned in the Ford sales thread:
ONLY Lexoid is consistently DOWN - CORRECTION: UPDATED CHART
(now shown)
tho BMW barely breaks FLAT

and (continued edit)
[ nerding-out ]
it'd'll be interesting/fascinating (*IF* I remember/am able) to update this next year & the next
was gonna do 2017 but realized the vectors just continue = no point
 

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@2b2 I know it's just projection but I highly down Lexus would be down the only reason they went down again after 2011 was cause of the earthquake and tsunami that affected parts. Since then they have been consistently up like Audi. They could potentially overtake BMW this year will be interesting to see the 2 duke it out.
 

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@2b2 I know it's just projection but I highly down Lexus would be down the only reason they went down again after 2011 was cause of the earthquake and tsunami that affected parts. Since then they have been consistently up like Audi. They could potentially overtake BMW this year will be interesting to see the 2 duke it out.
yeah...
- you Did see my correction?
- yesterday I got caught up with the hurricane tracking idea but now realize (obvious) there just wasn't enough data for that
- it IS colorful tho


maybe today (before NAIAS mainia) I'll obsess with your number-chart...
 

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tho this doesN'T take into account what was happening before 2005...

_2005_____2015______%_____brand_
083,066...202,202... +143.42 ...Audi
224,269...372,977... +- 66.31 ...MB
266,200...346,023... +. 29.98 ...BMW
302,895...344,601... +. 13.77 ...Lexus
076,599...086,048... +. 12.34 ...JLR
136,401...133,498... 02.13 ...Infiniti
209,610...177,165... 15.48 ...Acura
123,207...101,227... 17.84 ...Lincoln
235,002...175,267... 34.16 ...Cadillac
123,874...070,067... 43.44 ...Volvo
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adding a sort by 2015 %s

+ 26.? ...JLR
+ 24.3 ...Volvo
+ 13.8 ...Infiniti
+ 11.1 ...Audi
+ 10.6 ...Lexus
+ 07.1 ...Lincoln
+ 05.6 ...Acura
+ 03.8 ...MB
+ 02.6 ...Cadillac
+ 01.8 ...BMW
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would really like an attempt at a chart explicating the last 10(?) years of:
..."...the highest volume luxury segment..." (I posted @ GMI)

BMW top Ytds Oct2015
117,889 = 3/4 series (? GT ? Lwlb ? Grand-stuff ?)
080,832 = 3ers
044,782 = X5
037,057 = 4er
036,531 = 5er
023,811 = X3
010,859 = X1
009,730 = 1/2 series
008,879 = i3

our sales #s thread
for relevant Brands/models

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Thanks for putting the comparisons together ... I love watching trends of numbers, etc. Always interesting to see what develops ... &, for that matter, what doesn't develop.....


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So I think I made a mistake with my previous chart. Mercedes wasn't the top selling brand the reason why they are so high is because they include Sprinter sales in their chart so I would have to go back and remove the Sprinter sales individually.

In the mean time I worked on this just to show a comparison of how it's going so far. I removed Sprinter sales on this one however Mercedes still seems a bit high, hopefully I got it right.




Lincoln needs to watch it's back. JLR is catching up quickly!
 

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well, Volvo fell more than Lincoln but is bouncing better
tho this doesN'T take into account what was happening before 2005...

_2005_____2015______%_____brand_
123,207...101,227... — 17.84 ...Lincoln
123,874...070,067... — 43.44 ...Volvo

edit
... 2015 %s
+ 24.3 ...Volvo
+ 07.1 ...Lincoln

...NOT consistent = Cadillac, BMW, Volvo, & (edit) Lexus...
re-edit
thought it'd be good to look back before Volvo's big 2015 increase
_2005_____2014______%_____brand_
123,207...94,474... — 23.3 ...Lincoln
123,874...56,366... — 54.5 ...Volvo

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I would love to see how many F-Series Trucks Ford sells for over $40K. I'll bet if you compare it to ten years ago, the growth would be tremendous. Could the F-150 really be the best selling luxury vehicle out there?
 

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Time for an update! @2b2



Again subtracted Sprinter sales from MB.

JLR is hot on Lincoln's heels still.

Acura passed Cadillac for yearly sales
 
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