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Gen2 Ford Ecoboost ...
I was trying to find a tread about the Ecoboost in general to post this, but no luck. I'm curious to see what all is known about the Gen 2 Ecoboost. So far what I know pertains to the 3.5 V6, I know it's completely new other than displacement and cylinder count. I also know its using a combination of port and direct injection. Also I know Ford is hard at work on a lag reduction, but from my experience there really isnt any lag to speak of other than the 1.0 engine.

I've been wondering if the 3.5 or other Ecoboost motors are going to go to the CGI block like whats used in the 2.7 and 1.0 engines. Also curious if Ford is going to employ the heads with built in manifolds so the turbo is mounted right to the heads like the 1.0 Ecoboost. Also what other improvements they plan on making as far as friction reduction or anything else to address parasitic loss. Also will they use a twin scroll turbos or variable vane turbos or e-turbos.

Lastly what if any of the new technologies like the fuel injection added to the smaller Ecoboost 3 and 4 cylinders.
 

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Thanks a lot 2b2 this is good stuff and actually brings me to something I had wondered pondered the idea of using Miller Cycle with the Ecoboost. Also hoping for cylinder deactivation for the larger engines. Honestly I'm really excited for whats coming.
 

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Ford: Details Of Next-Gen 3.5L EcoBoost
(SEMA 2015)
EngineLabs.com

By Mike Magda
Nov 4, 2015

The next-generation 3.5-liter EcoBoost will utilize a dual fuel system that pairs direct injection with port injection, and looking over the new Ford GT racecar on display at the SEMA Show prompted a discussion with Ford officials to learn more about that strategy. ..

...The new EcoBoost that will power not only the racecar but also the production model will need extra fuel, as the twin-turbo V6 is expected to exceed 600 horsepower...

...The new 3.5-liter will share only name and displacement with the current engine. The clean-sheet design has a new block, cylinder head and bigger turbos in addition to the new intake system. The 3.5-liter was the first of the EcoBoost lineup when it was introduced in 2009. Other engines bearing the name have already been “turned over,” such as the 2.0-liter becoming the 2.0-liter twin-scroll and the 1.6-liter became the 1.5-liter. There’s also been a new 2.7-liter, and recently Ford announced the coming of a 3.0-liter version. But the 3.5-liter model has hung in there since the start.

“It’s the oldest EcoBoost engine in the lineup, and we’ve learned a lot since 2009,” says Seredynski. “We needed a version that reliably makes over 600 horsepower.”

The new 3.5-liter EcoBoost will actually be revealed before the racecar goes to Le Mans next year or the production GT hits the showroom. The new Raptor is already slated to get a slightly detuned version of the 3.5-liter with estimates of close to 450 horsepower and more than 430 lb-ft of torque for the legendary off-road beast.

“Then, of course, it will be available for other applications,” says Seredynski...
 

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SEMA 2015: Ford Performance Uncages The 2.3-Liter EcoBeast


Ford’s 2.3-liter EcoBoost engine has taken off with more popularity than the Blue Oval could have imagined. These cars are popular with consumers and are even inspiring racers and enthusiasts nationwide, including our own StangTV project car.

A big question for EcoBoost enthusiasts and those on the outside has been about the engine’s durability. It’s easy enough to add more boost, but the block design of the 2.3 encounters many of the same issues as that of its 3.5-liter cousin. Under high boost, high RPM, the cylinder bores could shift. Another question with regard to durability is that of the internal components. While the 2.3 utilizes a forged crankshaft, the factory rods and pistons remain weaker cast parts.

For the hardcore enthusiasts and races looking to build a 2.3 EcoBoost in a rear wheel drive application, whether its for a Mustang or classic Ford Performance, the answer has just arrived in the form of Ford’s all new EcoBeast short block.

“It’s only that we have the production engines, the next step is to take it to the next level,” says Ford’s Mike Delahanty. The EcoBeast has the bore bridge saw-cut eliminate to strengthen the block’s deck area. Then there are cross-drilled cylinder cooling passages below the deck bridge. The cylinders are fully honed to OEM specifications, and the setup uses a Livernois Motorsports coolant jacket and deck reinforcement insert, similar to what Livernois developed for the 3.5 EcoBoost engine.

“This is for enthusiasts who want to make big power with a lot of boost,” says Delahanty. The work doesn’t stop there, with the EcoBeast also receiving Mahle forged pistons good for 9.5:1 compression ratio, Manley Forged rods with ARP2000 rod bolts, and ARP main beam studs in place of bolts for increased thread engagement and strength.

Ford hasn’t said how much horsepower the EcoBeast is good for, but we’d wager it’s going to be well over the 600-700 range. The 2.3-liter EcoBeast is part number M6009-23EB and will be available in the spring of 2016.
 

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I'll be interested to see the 1.2 I-4 Ecoboost when it arrives, I have a hunch that Ford NA is holding off
switching away form the 2.0 DI until that engine and transmission is ready. Sure Focus could go to the
global 1.5 EB and auto or 5-speed manual but would they for the last two year before the plant closes?
 

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SEMA 2015: Ford Performance Uncages The 2.3-Liter EcoBeast


Ford’s 2.3-liter EcoBoost engine has taken off with more popularity than the Blue Oval could have imagined. These cars are popular with consumers and are even inspiring racers and enthusiasts nationwide, including our own StangTV project car.

A big question for EcoBoost enthusiasts and those on the outside has been about the engine’s durability. It’s easy enough to add more boost, but the block design of the 2.3 encounters many of the same issues as that of its 3.5-liter cousin. Under high boost, high RPM, the cylinder bores could shift. Another question with regard to durability is that of the internal components. While the 2.3 utilizes a forged crankshaft, the factory rods and pistons remain weaker cast parts.

For the hardcore enthusiasts and races looking to build a 2.3 EcoBoost in a rear wheel drive application, whether its for a Mustang or classic Ford Performance, the answer has just arrived in the form of Ford’s all new EcoBeast short block.

“It’s only that we have the production engines, the next step is to take it to the next level,” says Ford’s Mike Delahanty. The EcoBeast has the bore bridge saw-cut eliminate to strengthen the block’s deck area. Then there are cross-drilled cylinder cooling passages below the deck bridge. The cylinders are fully honed to OEM specifications, and the setup uses a Livernois Motorsports coolant jacket and deck reinforcement insert, similar to what Livernois developed for the 3.5 EcoBoost engine.

“This is for enthusiasts who want to make big power with a lot of boost,” says Delahanty. The work doesn’t stop there, with the EcoBeast also receiving Mahle forged pistons good for 9.5:1 compression ratio, Manley Forged rods with ARP2000 rod bolts, and ARP main beam studs in place of bolts for increased thread engagement and strength.

Ford hasn’t said how much horsepower the EcoBeast is good for, but we’d wager it’s going to be well over the 600-700 range. The 2.3-liter EcoBeast is part number M6009-23EB and will be available in the spring of 2016.
Thanks bloggin.
This is another reason I am so excited about turbo I4 proliferating into the aftermarket. Imagine that you can start with an I4 Mustang that is a solid performer yet offering great fuel economy, and then progress through staged upgrades that are very affordable and easy to do, right up to a short block swap that is capable of so much power, as the basis of a super tuner. And who would be expecting this kind of power from an I4?
 

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I'll be interested to see the 1.2 I-4 Ecoboost when it arrives
Is there space for a 1.2 EcoBoost?
The 1.0 EcoBoost goes up to 138hp, while the 1.5 EcoBoost starts off from 148hp (at least in Europe).


I wonder, what Ford's replacement is for its current Powershift dual-clutch transmission.
 

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I have not heard of a 1.2L.
But that does not mean it will never exist.
If it will materialize, where would it fit though?
Ford's got everything covered from 99hp to 181hp with the 1.0 EcoBoost range and 1.5 EcoBoost range.

There is only a 10hp gap between the top 138hp 1.0 EcoBoost and the base 148hp 1.5 EcoBoost.
 

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Well, with the 1.0L existing, it will never exist. But, that does not mean they can't replace 1.0L with 1.2L.



Also, in the article they mention dual injection systems for the race engine requirements (more fuel delivery). That is not the case. Dual fuel exists for several reasons, none of which has to do with increased fuel flow. Any single injection system, be it PFI or DI, is capable of delivering more than enough fuel. The dual fuel was designed into this next gen D35, not for the race program. In fact, I heard they only use one of the fuel systems anyway.
 

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The exciting thing about that 2.3 crate motor is the thought of dropping it into an old British sports car, a Triumph or MG, or even an older Miata! You don't even need to push the engine to extreme outputs in those small cars, tune it to around 400/400 and you're talking about not only the ultimate sleeper, but you're doing so without adding much, if any weight over the front wheels, thus you're not undermining the car's handling balance while giving it supercar like speed!!





I understand why people are also excited about this engine in the Mustang, but for me it's V8 or something else, no exhaust rumble no Mustang for me. There is one exception to this rule though, it would be fun to drop this 2.3, tuned somewhere between 400 and 500HP into an old SVO! The SVO is really the only Mustang with fewer than 8 cylinders that I have fond memories of and don't view as being less than a full Stang!



Heck with it, I'm on a roll here, I would also absolutely love to drop the new 2.3 into one of these as my daily driver:



The most beautiful T-Bird since the 60's! Loved them, imagine it with that lightweight 450HP 2.3 under it's hood rather than the 190HP unrefined lump it came with!
 

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Is there space for a 1.2 EcoBoost?
The 1.0 EcoBoost goes up to 138hp, while the 1.5 EcoBoost starts off from 148hp (at least in Europe).

I wonder, what Ford's replacement is for its current Powershift dual-clutch transmission.
other than hearing long ago about .5L being an ideal cylinder-size, thus a 1.5 3-cyl, &
thinking that 150hp-per-liter(-or more) means smaller than 1.0L engines will be useful,
I wonder about:
...Actually I think the next Focus should be 'based' on a EV platform that is modified to fit an ICE platform. NOT the other way around. This way the electrified future of the platform has a better foundation...
about a variant engine-architecture/philosophy primarily meant for generator duties as range-extenders
 

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The exciting thing about that 2.3 crate motor is the thought of dropping it into an old British sports car, a Triumph or MG, or even an older Miata! You don't even need to push the engine to extreme outputs in those small cars, tune it to around 400/400 and you're talking about not only the ultimate sleeper, but you're doing so without adding much, if any weight over the front wheels, thus you're not undermining the car's handling balance while giving it supercar like speed!!
I'd like to drop that 2.3 crate motor in a euro Mk1 Ford Capri. :D

...of course with more power than the Focus RS, then i'd give it wide fenders like the race version of the Capri RS to contain the wider wheels and tires. :D


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I wonder if I misread a story and assumed a new engine....

There is a reworked 1.2 TIVCT that went into Figi last year but that was an older engine with reworked cylinder head.
Yes, the new Indian made Figo has a naturally aspirated 88PS (87hp) 1.2 Ti-VCT as its base gasoline engine, it's Sigma-based just like the naturally aspirated 1.5 Ti-VCT & 1.6 Ti-VCT engines, and the related 1.5 EcoBoost & 1.6 EcoBoost engines.
The 1.2 has a smaller bore than the 1.5, but the same 76.5mm stroke.
 

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^ I'll take a Virtual-Awd 1.0EB-PlugIn :joyous:


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re: a new platform for emerging markets; via FordAuthority
"Ford India has big plans for the future..."

Market Performance Belies Ford Indiaʼs Ambitions
WardsAuto

Sudhakar Shah - Feb 22, 2016


MUMBAI – Despite two lackluster decades in the market, Ford India has formulated new strategies for fresh investment and innovations for the region.

The company is assuming key responsibilities within the Ford organization, particularly as a development base for the automaker’s new vehicle platform designated for most of its models in emerging global markets.

The new, flexible platform is expected to reduce production costs between 8% and 10%, Ford says. The technology should enhance Ford’s status as one of India’s major car exporters; the automaker hopes to eventually sell India-built vehicles in 50 countries...

...the Indian market’s compact-sedan segment is growing, and Ford is ready to respond with the Figo Aspire. It offers power and efficiency, safety and comfort. For those who seek an affordable car, there is the entry-level Figo hatchback. The automaker also is preparing a Figo CUV for launch later this year.

The Figo models are ready for export: the hatchback to Mexico, compact sedan to South Africa and fullsize sedan to the Middle East. Total exports for the 12 months ending in March totaled 81,703, with another 79,590 shipped during the following nine months. In the automaker’s favor logistically are ports in Chennai and Gujarat located near Ford’s Indian assembly facilities...
 

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^ I'll take a Virtual-Awd 1.0EB-PlugIn :joyous:
I don't think Ford in India will be developing hybrids since there isn't much of a market for hybrids in that country and most of Asia in general.
Now a simple lightweight small car makes more sense, that will work for Asia and Europe and maybe North America (minor market) if they want to compete with the Spark.


Ford India’s Global Engineering Center will lead the platform project. The new architecture aims to generate economies of scale, drive efficiency, fill gaps in Ford’s range of vehicles and grow exports.
-http://wardsauto.com/industry/market-performance-belies-ford-india-s-ambitions

Could this mean a legit lightweight A-segment car to rival the VW Up and Chevy Spark/ Opel Karl twins?



The New Figo/Ka (a slightly trimmed down Fiesta with a taller roof) is more or less still B-segment sized and so is its weight.

Imagine dropping in a 1.0 EcoBoost in an A-segment city car that's some 300-400 lbs lighter than a Fiesta.
Start-inspired city car?
 

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Originally Posted by CGIron@BON

The 2 generation 3.5L EcoBoost V6 will be a completly new engine. The only similarity will be the displacement 3.5. The new engine will have a dual injection system , port and direct and I have reason till belive that this is because it will have TWO fuels like the BobCat had in 2009.

Mike Levine that now is employed by Ford wrote this article in 2009 as a prediction of the new EcoBoost that was slated to arrive 2016. By an Ethanolinjection, E85, Ford can rise the octane of regular fuels 88-91 to the maximum 130 octane. This leads to improved efficency, less fuel is needed and more power will be the result. The peak combustion pressure will rise from 17 Bar to around 30 Bar and this requires CGI in the block, just like the BobCat had.

The new 3.5L V6 will have a stunning power far over 411 hp.
Pickuptruck
news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/06/sneak-peek-ford-bobcat-dual-fuel-engine.html

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at page 11 the block material, CGI, same as the 2.7L EcoBoost and the 6.7L PowerStroke
energy.gov/vehiclesandfuels/pdfs/merit_review_2008/fuels/merit08_aagarwal.pdf

Mike Levines Twitter
were he reveals the dual injection systems.
twitter.com/mrlevine/status/703084856641597440
and
twitter.com/mrlevine/status/703203518669320192

"Sounds familiar! :)"


I might be wrong as I am not a technician. I just found a similarity between the new EcoBoost and the Bobcat project that was intended to be in production 2016. I think that the new GT-engine isn´t out yet. It will come late this year.​


(hope the Links work - haven't tried them yet)
 
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