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NextGen Ford EBs >> EcoChargers?

thought this'd get lost in its own thread ^so...

CVT Might Be the Secret to Improving the Supercharger
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Quieter than a Roots-type supercharger and cooler than any turbocharger, V-Charge spins between 10,000 and 100,000 rpm. The servo controller needs only 10 watts of electrical power to operate, so, unlike electrically powered superchargers, a 48-volt electrical system is not required.

Backed by the British government and in collaboration with both the University of Bath and the Ford Motor Company, Torotrak spent more than a year developing this booster. Instead of manufacturing it in-house, Torotrak would prefer to license its V-Charge technology either to a carmaker or some auto industry supplier.

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Re: new v8 ... so SOON?

I worry that Ford is misunderstanding the power the "5.0" badge carries...but I'm very curious about the upcoming engine(s)...!
 

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I worry that Ford is misunderstanding the power the "5.0" badge carries...but I'm very curious about the upcoming engine(s)...!
As iconic as the 5.0 badge is I think the power is in making as much as reasonably possible in this hyper competitive sports car market.
 

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Re: NextGen Ford EBs >> EcoChargers?

This supercharger could go a long way to fixing the severe carbon problems of the Ecoboost engines.
 

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Re: new v8 ... so SOON?

I should clarify a bit, when I mentioned slightly larger displacement, I really meant very slightly. It's advertised displacement will not change. A bit more bore diameter will help with less valve shrouding, and still maintain the coveted five point oh. Now, from that information, anyone with a small aptitude in engine building or knowledge, will understand why they would do that (cough...voodoo components....cough).

Oh, and there will be no FP crank in it.

But my point in mentioning this, was to clarify that the coyote is going nowhere.
 

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Re: NextGen Ford EBs >> EcoChargers?

Carbon issues? Not exactly. The problem with all DI engines relates mostly to cam timing that draws back deposits into the intake runners during late intake valve closing (LIVC). This is known as reversion and causes the back side of the valve and general bowl area of the port to build up sludge. Boosting has nothing to do with it. Any DI engine can suffer from it, because there is no port fuel injector to clean that area. Ford is solving this with dual injection.


I do like the variable speed/boost charger though. I have heard about it, but have not read the details. Interesting concept. I am a big fan of SC, but for some reason turbo's are favored at Ford.
 

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Carbon.....PCV gunk.....deposits! I know boosting doesn't change that with DI engines, but at least you could clean the deposits without frying the turbos. Is it correct that the '17 3.5 EB is the only one with the dual injection so far?
 

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Re: new v8 ... so SOON?

I should clarify a bit, when I mentioned slightly larger displacement, I really meant very slightly. It's advertised displacement will not change. A bit more bore diameter will help with less valve shrouding, and still maintain the coveted five point oh. Now, from that information, anyone with a small aptitude in engine building or knowledge, will understand why they would do that (cough...voodoo components....cough).

Oh, and there will be no FP crank in it.

But my point in mentioning this, was to clarify that the coyote is going nowhere.
Thank you for clarifying, I didnt want my beloved 5.0 badge going away :)
 

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Carbon.....PCV gunk.....deposits! I know boosting doesn't change that with DI engines, but at least you could clean the deposits without frying the turbos. Is it correct that the '17 3.5 EB is the only one with the dual injection so far?
It's the only one announced so far, but will pretty much be the standard going forward. There is several benefits to it. A bit more cost, sure, but it completely eliminates a big problem and no doubt big warranty costs.
 

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I'm sure it will help going forward. I have 2 EB's now and if I had done my research I think I would have gone a different direction.
 

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I'm sure it will help going forward. I have 2 EB's now and if I had done my research I think I would have gone a different direction.
Sorry to hear that.

If I include all the family A plan discounts I hand out, which is roughly 4-5 a year and pretty much all of them include EB....I think we are at about 30 EB vehicles. I have not heard a complaint yet.
 

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Thanks to Topnotch :thumb: posting Fomoco fleet.Pdf files & Links,
I'm starting/trying to make a new List of ALL EcoBoost variants:

1.0/3 - 123hp - 125tq - Fiesta - Focus - Au EcoSport
1.5/3 - 197hp - 213tq - nextgen RotW Fiesta ST
1.5/4 - 179hp - 177tq - Escape
1.5/4 - 181hp - 185tq - Fusion
1.6/4 - 197hp - 202tq - FiST
2.0/4 - 240hp - 270tq - Taurus - MKC
2.0/4 - 245hp - 275tq - Fusion - Escape - MKZ
2.0/4 - 252hp - 270tq - FoST
2.3/4 - 280hp - 310tq - Explorer
2.3/4 - 285hp - 305tq - MKC
2.3/4 - 310hp - 320tq - Mustang, 2017my with 93-octane
2.3/4 - 350hp - 350tq - FoRS
2.7/6 - 315hp - 350tq - Edge
2.7/6 - 325hp - 380tq - Fusion
2.7/6 - 335hp - 380tq - Continental - MKX
3.0/6 - 350hp - 400tq - MKZ Fwd
3.0/6 - 400hp - 400tq - MKZ Awd - Continental
3.5/6 - 310hp - 400tq - Transit
3.5/6 - 365hp - 350tq - Taurus - Explorer - Flex - MKT
3.5/6 - 365hp - 450tq - Expedition
3.5/6 - 400hp - 480tq - Expedition Platinum
3.5/6 - 450hp - 500tq - Navigator
3.5/6 - 450hp - 510tq - Raptor

any/all corrections-additions most Welcome :joyous:
 

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Thanks to Topnotch :thumb: posting Fomoco fleet.Pdf files & Links,
I'm starting/trying to make a new List of ALL EcoBoost variants:

1.0/3 - 123hp - 125tq - Fiesta - Focus - Au EcoSport
1.5/3 - 197hp - 213tq - nextgen RotW Fiesta ST
1.5/4 - 179hp - 177tq - Escape
1.5/4 - 181hp - 185tq - Fusion
1.6/4 - 197hp - 202tq - FiST
2.0/4 - 240hp - 270tq - Taurus - MKC
2.0/4 - 245hp - 275tq - Fusion - Escape - MKZ
2.0/4 - 252hp - 270tq - FoST
2.3/4 - 280hp - 310tq - Explorer
2.3/4 - 285hp - 305tq - MKC
2.3/4 - 310hp - 320tq - Mustang, 2017my with 93-octane
2.3/4 - 350hp - 350tq - FoRS
2.7/6 - 315hp - 350tq - Edge
2.7/6 - 325hp - 380tq - Fusion
2.7/6 - 335hp - 380tq - Continental - MKX
3.0/6 - 350hp - 400tq - MKZ Fwd
3.0/6 - 400hp - 400tq - MKZ Awd - Continental
3.5/6 - 310hp - 400tq - Transit
3.5/6 - 365hp - 350tq - Taurus - Explorer - Flex - MKT
3.5/6 - 365hp - 450tq - Expedition
3.5/6 - 400hp - 480tq - Expedition Platinum
3.5/6 - 450hp - 500tq - Navigator
3.5/6 - 450hp - 510tq - Raptor

any/all corrections-additions most Welcome :joyous:
Isnt there a 145hp version of the 1.o Ecoboost? Also the 375hp 450ft lbs F150 3.5
 

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^ & ^^ :thumb:s
before I add to the List, & before I have time to research/click-thru too :angel
3 versions of the 1.0-liter EcoBoost engine sold globally?
1. 100 PS (with a 99g/k model now available in the Focus in Europe)
2. 125 PS (123 hp in U.S. spec, and the engine currently available here in the Fiesta);
3. A 1.0L EcoBoost with 140 PS with 140+ ...
BTW: Then there is the version of the 1.0-liter EcoBoost in the Rip Rod at SEMA this year offering over 170 horsepower.
CarMagazine.co.UK - Fiesta Zetec-S BlackEdition = 140PS
dunno if still^currently available
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RV.net - Feb 16, 2017
The 3.5L EcoBoost in the F150 is 375hp/450 ft-lb versus 365/350 in the Explorer...

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a conversion site called "PS" 'metric horsepower', fwiw
2.0T at 261PS and 386(Nm) = 257.4hp / 284.7 ft-lbs
3.0T at 378PS and 570(Nm) = 372.8hp / 420.4 ft-lbs
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if someone actually verifies additional numbers at an official or reputable site
how about updating the List in your post (like: quote-then-remove-the-quote-tags)
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1.0EB 140ps is offered in the Fiesta ST-Line (formally the Zetec S) and the UK spec B-Max Zetec Colour Edition. The other EU market B-Max was offering the 1.0EB 140ps but no longer, as the end model specs seem to be very very limited to what they are building. Probably a dead model.
The EcoSport S (Sport) in some select EU markets (UK Titanium S) is offered with the 1.0EB 140ps.
Here in Estonia the 1.0EB 140ps is offered in both the Trend(SE) & Titanium.

The new Fiesta is not showing the ST-Line offered yet for order. So just the 100ps and 125ps is available.
 
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