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Re: NYC 2017 B/D-List ... *other* than the NEW NAVIGATOR!!

The greatest struggle of any troubled luxury automaker today is finding some form of iconic grille design that evokes their brand on any car it's slapped on. It's really funny to watch this unfold. Lincoln has struggled more than anybody besides Acura and ultimately settled on something far more traditional than the avant-garde bold shapes most try to make work. Acura's new grille looks a bit better each time they tweak it but they are trying really hard and they are sticking with aggressive sporting lines. Lincoln found a design that works perfectly for their traditional customers, it's more friendly, less aggressive, and essentially evokes the luxury design nomenclature of British design with a less progressive edge of modern European or Japanese designs.
 

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Re: NYC 2017 B/D-List ... *other* than the NEW NAVIGATOR!!

The greatest struggle of any troubled luxury automaker today is finding some form of iconic grille design that evokes their brand on any car it's slapped on. It's really funny to watch this unfold. Lincoln has struggled more than anybody besides Acura and ultimately settled on something far more traditional than the avant-garde bold shapes most try to make work. Acura's new grille looks a bit better each time they tweak it but they are trying really hard and they are sticking with aggressive sporting lines. Lincoln found a design that works perfectly for their traditional customers, it's more friendly, less aggressive, and essentially evokes the luxury design nomenclature of British design with a less progressive edge of modern European or Japanese designs.
I finally started to like the toned down beak that the TLX had, but now they're plastering this ugly pentagon thing on everything.

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For what it's worth, I liked the split wing, and they were finally getting it right with the MKX. Obviously the new grille has broader appeal, though.
 
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Jeep Teases Moab Easter Jeep Safari Vehicles
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by Sam McEachern — Mar 28, 2017


PRNewswire/ -- The Jeep® and Mopar brands have once again joined forces to create a selection of concept Jeep vehicles for the upcoming 51st annual Easter Jeep Safari, taking place in Moab, Utah, April 8-16. The Jeep Quicksand concept and the Jeep Switchback concept are two of the new vehicles that will head to Moab. Look for more information and images on these vehicles later this week.
 

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Don't know if Wrangler is debuting there, but here's the new Wrangler:


I was just thinking about this I wonder when it will debut, that will be a big one.
 

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I kind of feel bad for Acura as they have been struggling trying to find a look for quite a while. This new thing isnt it though. The current TLX actually look decent, but they've ruined it.
 

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I kind of feel bad for Acura as they have been struggling trying to find a look for quite a while. This new thing isnt it though. The current TLX actually look decent, but they've ruined it.
Acura's problem is that they really were everything that Lincoln has been (somewhat legitimately) accused of being: a rebadge/trim level rather than a true brand. ****, I've called them the "overpriced Accord store" for years, now.

The biggest issue is that Acura cracked open the door for the other Japanese luxury marques, but completely failed at defining the brand in the process. They really did seem to want to stay at a "Mercury" level, one step up from typical Honda stuff...while Lexus and Infiniti were going all-in with the LS and Q models. Even the NSX, as great as the original was, was too niche to really have a big impact with typical luxury brand customers. Their most endearing model, the Integra, was shelved as they tried to be more "mature" without really offering anything distinct from the other sedans and CUVs out there.

It's only gotten worse as Honda has become a pale shadow of its former self. The new NSX is a tech tour-de-force that isn't terribly interesting or engaging among supercars. The Accord is still arguably best in class (which hurts to admit, as always), but it's taken 3 generations for the Civic to generate much attention and the various CUVs are very nearly identical to everyone else's.

This kinda makes me sad. I had enormous respect for Honda for years, even as I saw them to be a truly terrifying rival. They were killing everyone in Formula 1 for years (first with Williams, then with McLaren), their Civics were impossibly better than most of the compacts in the market, the Accord was the only real driver's car in the midsize sedan market (excepting the SHO), and so on. The original Integra and Legend were very good, but...Infiniti and particularly Lexus took bigger steps and bigger risks, gaining headlines Acura still has never approached.

To be honest, the last Honda I thought had a glimmer of personality was the Element...and this is from a guy that's trying to climb out from under a ton of medical bills to get an Ecoboost Flex before they kill it. As a guy that lugs guitar gear around regularly, wagons and other cars with actual utility are dear to me.

Anyway, Acura is bolting a new shnoz onto their collection of fwd/awd sedans and CUVs, yet still won't step up to the plate with a real competitor for true luxury offerings. More news that ain't news.
 
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Ok, so what did they change from the 2012 model?
Despite it looking about the same, everything.

The grille has a bend in it, foglights repositioned, turn signals on the fenders/wheel wells, fender vent behind the front wheel, a large crease down the beltline, different taillights and tailgate.....so like I said, everything.
 
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Ok, so what did they change from the 2012 model?

The problem with an iconic design is that you cant change it to much if you dont want to lose the customers. The same problem with the Mustang, Mini, Bettle, Fiat 500, VW Golf , Rolls Royce...
 

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Jeep Grand Cherokee Trackhawk set for New York debut
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Greg Migliore - Mar 30th 2017

The head of Jeep confirmed Wednesday that the brand will reveal its high-powered Grand Cherokee Trackhawk in April at the New York Auto Show. "That is going to be quite a special vehicle," Jeep boss Mike Manley said. "Very difficult for one not to smile."

Speaking at an event at FCA US headquarters in Auburn Hills, MI, to preview the 2017 Easter Jeep Safari vehicles for Moab, he didn't provide further details. The Trackhawk has been expected to bow in New York, and the confirmation comes after months of rumors and spy shots.

What's under the hood?...

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Looks like Jeep may have a big day at NY then.
 

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The problem with an iconic design is that you cant change it to much if you dont want to lose the customers. The same problem with the Mustang, Mini, Bettle, Fiat 500, VW Golf , Rolls Royce...

I understand that, but there needs to be evolutionary updates like Mustang.



Which means Jeep Wrangler just stood still, and gave Bronco a window of opportunity to capitalize on the future of off-roading, by becoming the evolution of the Jeep Wrangler.
 

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QX80 vs Navigator.

Lincoln has some grounds to catch up on so they better hit a home run!
Kinda feel bad for Infiniti showing the QX80 because I think most eyes are going to be on the Navigator. Looking at the teaser pick though the Infiniti looks light years better than the current one. Just please no more Pep Boys fender vent.
 

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Kinda feel bad for Infiniti showing the QX80 because I think most eyes are going to be on the Navigator. Looking at the teaser pick though the Infiniti looks light years better than the current one. Just please no more Pep Boys fender vent.
Yeah, it definitely looks a lot better than the current one. And it's kind of funny with Nissan just debuting the "new" Armada not too long ago, which is nothing but a rebadged current QX80 (yet, this fact is not mentioned once in any reviews of Armada I have read.....you know Ford/Lincoln would be ripped apart for the same thing).
 
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Navigator has a really conservative design...leaves plenty of room for Infiniti to make a splash which is my only concern with Lincoln's unimaginative approach to design right now, especially in a segment meant to be flashy. But then again, there is always room for something more sedate.
 
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