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Very cute, but seriously, is the Tundra that big of a
threat? I don't think it's going to outsell Ford
or Chevy anytime soon.
 

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Quite interesting. I hope GM and Ford keep up the quality of their trucks, and attack the car market, where Toyota is just running laps around them as far as the buying public is concerned.
 

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Honestly, the Tundra can only do good for Ford and GM,
it will help keep them in line and competitive.
People will stick with their F-150s and Silverados
until Tundra has something better to offer. For the
moment it doesn't.
 

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What do you want us to do? Have a "protected market"
where non-American cars are banned? We've already
seen in the 70's and 80's what an American-dominated
market produces: Crap. Pure crap, because when there's
no alternative to American cars, there's no incentive for
the automakers to make quality(competitive) product.
As I said before, the Tundra keeps GM and Ford in line
and can only help them to improve.
 

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What do you want us to do? Have a "protected market"
where non-American cars are banned? We've already
seen in the 70's and 80's what an American-dominated
market produces: Crap. Pure crap, because when there's
no alternative to American cars, there's no incentive for
the automakers to make quality(competitive) product.
As I said before, the Tundra keeps GM and Ford in line
and can only help them to improve.
I would rather see a concerted effort by both Ford, Chrysler and GM attack the japanese Market, by buying completely, Mazda, Mitsubishi, and Suzuki and rebadging Fords,Dodges and Chevy's for the Japanese competation.
Congress should step in and subsidize the effort. Its only fair
 

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I would rather see a concerted effort by both Ford, Chrysler and GM attack the japanese Market, by buying completely, Mazda, Mitsubishi, and Suzuki and rebadging Fords,Dodges and Chevy's for the Japanese competation.
Congress should step in and subsidize the effort. Its only fair
Good luck with that, but Japanese are VERY nationalistic- they'd
never touch an american car unless it was a luxury car (seen as
"rare" and "expensive", esp. in LHD) or something special that
would demand a premium (Mustang, that kind of thing) but that
wouldn't sell too many, they're too big for Japan, the majority
of cars there are Kei-cars. I wish it were possible too- but the
Japanese govt. would make sure **** froze over before an American
company owned one of it's crown jewels. Yes, it's unfair, but they're
damn clever. Maybe if we started making Kei-cars, but they wouldn't
sell enough to justify the price...
 

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I think that the whole point is on whether the US auto industry should be a protected industry or a real player in a free economy market.

The solution to their problems at home is to relentlessly improve their products. I can't think of many many ways that the government could lend a helping hand and none of the include direct subsidies.

I am 100% with Diesel in his approach to the Tundra issue. Rather than think (or pray) that it will be a flop Ford and GM should focus on improving their full size pickups CONSTANTLY. Ford seems to finally have understood this and is giving a final push to its outgoing F-150 with much more than incentives.

In the meantime guys . . . the Tundra is the 19th best selling vehicle in America.
 

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What do you want us to do? Have a "protected market"
where non-American cars are banned? We've already
seen in the 70's and 80's what an American-dominated
market produces: Crap. Pure crap, because when there's
no alternative to American cars, there's no incentive for
the automakers to make quality(competitive) product.
As I said before, the Tundra keeps GM and Ford in line
and can only help them to improve.
The Competition between Ford-GM and Chrysler will be immense
 

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I can't take this petition seriously, especially after seeing how people signed it. Besides, Diesel had it right in that the best way to stop Toyota in this market segment is continuous improvement of the domestic vehicles. I will, however, refuse to believe that competition among the Big 3 in a closed market would continue to produce the sort of improvements we've seen in recent years.
 

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I can't take this petition seriously, especially after seeing how people signed it. Besides, Diesel had it right in that the best way to stop Toyota in this market segment is continuous improvement of the domestic vehicles. I will, however, refuse to believe that competition among the Big 3 in a closed market would continue to produce the sort of improvements we've seen in recent years.
Very well said!!
 

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Maybe us must sing a petition to Toyota and Japan goverment let open the Japanese car market to foreing carmakers, like Ford!
 

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The Japanese do not learn, their economy is almost stagnant due to protectionism, and they do not do what is necessary to make it better :D , open it up to become a consumer importer society, ours works fine with a current defecit bigger than any other!!
 
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