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I prefer my Porsche Taycan, not stirred..........For real though they got the right idea putting emphasis on the charging times. People wont fully adopt EVs until they function and act like a normal everyday car.
 

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Boy do I agree that charging times is the big advantage these days. Nobody cares if you break the legal speed limit in 3.0 or 2.7 sec. Both are far too fast for most. Give me quick charging and decent range. I would much rather have 300 miles of range with 30 min charges, then 600 miles of range with 4 hour charges.
 

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...efficiency plays about a big of a role as does kWh of service available. A current Mod 3 charges at a rate of 450mph at 120kwh with overhead for the next lvl SC, which is rumored for 180kwh. So, a Mod 3 would theoretically hit 650+ mph charge rate. The Roadster, since it will be more aero will likely have no trouble hitting 700+ mph charge rate, meaning you’ll get 600mi range and over 600mph charge rate, or get half that range and still have a 600+ mph charge rate in the Model 3. And remember, that is at 180kwh service, half what the Porsche offers. Of course, the chargers the Porsche will use are all offline because of that charge rate, the cables have to be liquid cooled, something the 180 kWh chargers will not need, meaning more charge stations because of the reduced price of installation.
 

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I prefer my Porsche Taycan, not stirred..........For real though they got the right idea putting emphasis on the charging times. People wont fully adopt EVs until they function and act like a normal everyday car.
...as long as people think they need to act like an everyday car, for sure. But you charge them at home every night and rarely charge elsewhere, which is the opposite of how normal every day cars function. Why would anyone pay more for electricity at a charge station when they could get it for 1/3 the price at home, unless they are apartment bound with no recourse?
 

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...as long as people think they need to act like an everyday car, for sure. But you charge them at home every night and rarely charge elsewhere, which is the opposite of how normal every day cars function. Why would anyone pay more for electricity at a charge station when they could get it for 1/3 the price at home, unless they are apartment bound with no recourse?
Or unless they take their EV on longer trips every now and then.

People don't like to have limits placed on them even though they may place limits on themselves. Sure, most EV drivers may commute small distances and charge at home but it's freeing for drivers to know that they can take a trip and not have to wait for an hour while charging away. It is best to remember that the manufacturers with a few extra selling points may be the ones who swing the sale.
 

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Or unless they take their EV on longer trips every now and then.

People don't like to have limits placed on them even though they may place limits on themselves. Sure, most EV drivers may commute small distances and charge at home but it's freeing for drivers to know that they can take a trip and not have to wait for an hour while charging away. It is best to remember that the manufacturers with a few extra selling points may be the ones who swing the sale.
...yes, as someone who drives an EV every day, I'm well aware of their limitations. EVs currently are not the best choice for every single person in the world, but they are for a large portion of people. They don't have to be the best at everything to be the best over-all choice. Sitting around for an hour a couple times per year waiting for a long range charge is no different than waiting around for an hour a coupe times per year to get an oil change.
 

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...yes, as someone who drives an EV every day, I'm well aware of their limitations. EVs currently are not the best choice for every single person in the world, but they are for a large portion of people. They don't have to be the best at everything to be the best over-all choice. Sitting around for an hour a couple times per year waiting for a long range charge is no different than waiting around for an hour a coupe times per year to get an oil change.
As an "early adaptor," you probably have given much thought to your purchase and its use. Your presence here indicates to me that you are, at least to some degree, an enthusiast. I could be wrong but my guess is that you understand that most auto consumers are not like you, me or most of us here.

The day is coming when we may no longer have a choice between ICE and BEV. My only point was that, in a future BEV marketplace, the perception of a quick charging time might be a selling point that would convince a consumer to favor one brand over another and that Porsche was smart to emphasize that feature early on. Plus, my guess is that most people do not truly look forward to the wait, whether it's an oil change or a charge.
 

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...yes, as someone who drives an EV every day, I'm well aware of their limitations. EVs currently are not the best choice for every single person in the world, but they are for a large portion of people. They don't have to be the best at everything to be the best over-all choice. Sitting around for an hour a couple times per year waiting for a long range charge is no different than waiting around for an hour a coupe times per year to get an oil change.
As an "early adaptor," you probably have given much thought to your purchase and its use. Your presence here indicates to me that you are, at least to some degree, an enthusiast. I could be wrong but my guess is that you understand that most auto consumers are not like you, me or most of us here.

The day is coming when we may no longer have a choice between ICE and BEV. My only point was that, in a future BEV marketplace, the perception of a quick charging time might be a selling point that would convince a consumer to favor one brand over another and that Porsche was smart to emphasize that feature early on. Plus, my guess is that most people do not truly look forward to the wait, whether it's an oil change or a charge.
...I hear you, I’m simply saying that quick charging is something used a couple of dozen times over the life of ownership for the vast majority of people. It is not important in day to day operation. Range/efficiency/tech are higher up the ladder. Quick charging isn’t far down the list of important features, but the law of diminishing returns still applies here.

Tesla has consciously chosen to not go to that high rate based on their years of real world experience selling BEVs. That ought to bring you just a little bit of pause. Regardless of what you think of Tesla, they are easily the most experienced in the field re: charging infrastructure.
 

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These might be closer to the production model.
Production version will have front-hinged rear doors.
Final body with camo.


Without the camo...
...I’m sure it will be awesome. With 90kWh pack and what will likely be less efficiency, I’m betting it will fall a little short of 300mi EPA, maybe 270-280. But that roofline in the back, I’m not sure my 12yr old would fit comfortably back there.
 

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...I’m sure it will be awesome. With 90kWh pack and what will likely be less efficiency, I’m betting it will fall a little short of 300mi EPA, maybe 270-280. But that roofline in the back, I’m not sure my 12yr old would fit comfortably back there.

Come on! It´s a Porsche, a sport car. If you want to buy and drive a refrigerator... ahem...ahem... a normal car for the family , buy a Tesla.


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Come on! It´s a Porsche, a sport car. If you want to buy and drive a refrigerator... ahem...ahem... a normal car for the family , buy a Tesla.


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...funny how the Model 3PD turns in the exact same numbers the Porsche sports car is aiming for...


Acceleration 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) < 3.5 sec
Top speed > 250 km/h (155 mph)
Range > 500 km (300 Miles)

...not bad for a refrigerator.
 

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...funny how the Model 3PD turns in the exact same numbers the Porsche sports car is aiming for...


Acceleration 0-100 km/h (0-62 mph) < 3.5 sec
Top speed > 250 km/h (155 mph)
Range > 500 km (300 Miles)

...not bad for a refrigerator.

Well... to see how I explain ... if you grab a refrigerator and drive it to 200 mph accelerating from 0 to 100 in 2 sec, it will never be as fun as doing the same in a car that looks and feels sporty and luxurious, that awakens the passion and desire to have it. I do not know if it is understood ... A Porsche is a Porsche for much more than the speed it reaches or how it is driven. The same happens with the Mustang or the Corvette. Tesla? A refrigerator that goes fast. But nothing more.
 

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Well... to see how I explain ... if you grab a refrigerator and drive it to 200 mph accelerating from 0 to 100 in 2 sec, it will never be as fun as doing the same in a car that looks and feels sporty and luxurious, that awakens the passion and desire to have it. I do not know if it is understood ... A Porsche is a Porsche for much more than the speed it reaches or how it is driven. The same happens with the Mustang or the Corvette. Tesla? A refrigerator that goes fast. But nothing more.
...clearly you've never read a review on the Model 3. It has received wide praise for its driving characteristics as it goes around corners as well as it goes in a straight line. If you don't like how it looks inside and out, that's a defensible position, but slacking on it for performance or drivability is contrary to reality.

It is simply a less sumptuous sports sedan than the Porsche will be, but with a giant wad of cash left over. That hardly makes it a refrigerator.
 

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...clearly you've never read a review on the Model 3. It has received wide praise for its driving characteristics as it goes around corners as well as it goes in a straight line. If you don't like how it looks inside and out, that's a defensible position, but slacking on it for performance or drivability is contrary to reality.

It is simply a less sumptuous sports sedan than the Porsche will be, but with a giant wad of cash left over. That hardly makes it a refrigerator.

Bingo! Bingo!. You just understood what I say. The Tesla has nothing inside or outside that, for me, is attractive, luxurious, sensual, sporty or desirable. It is just an electric machine (poorly assembled and of very poor quality) that goes very fast and that has some advanced autonomy features. That is all. And that can be done by a refrigerator with the electric motors Tesla has!
 

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Bingo! Bingo!. You just understood what I say. The Tesla has nothing inside or outside that, for me, is attractive, luxurious, sensual, sporty or desirable. It is just an electric machine (poorly assembled and of very poor quality) that goes very fast and that has some advanced autonomy features. That is all. And that can be done by a refrigerator with the electric motors Tesla has!
...well, lets put it this way, it has the highest CR satisfaction score of any passenger vehicle, with a 92 rating, slightly ahead of a Porsche 911, and far far ahead of luxury class competitors from established marques, like the Mercedes C-Class. So, maybe you should actually see one in person and drive one before arriving at a conclusion. I know, that's crazy talk.
 
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